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Carlsen Strikes Again In Bilbao! UPDATED

  • SonofPearl
  • on 10/9/12, 11:16 AM.

Magnus Carlsen made it two wins from two games in Bilbao, drawing level on points with Fabiano Caruana at the top of the leaderboard in the Chess Masters Final.

Magnus had the white pieces against tournament underdog Paco Vallejo Pons, and made his victory look deceptively easy.

Lev Aronian was unable to make a dent in the defences of Vishy Anand, who has now drawn all seven games in the tournament so far, while Sergey Karjakin kept everything under control to earn a draw with Fabiano Caruana.

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The standings after 7 rounds (3-1-0 scoring)

# Name Fed Elo Pts
1 Caruana, Fabiano  ITA 2773 12
2 Carlsen, Magnus  NOR 2843 12
3 Aronian, Levon  ARM 2816 9
4 Anand, Viswanathan  IND 2780 7
5 Karjakin, Sergey  RUS 2778 5
6 Vallejo Pons, Francisco  ESP 2697 4

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The scene in the glass cube at the start of round seven

Bilbao 2012 Round 7 playing area.jpg

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The Chess Masters Final is a 6-player double round-robin event which is held half in Sao Paulo, Brazil, and half in Bilbao, Spain.  The games in Bilbao start at 17:00 local time (15:00 UTC).

The tournament uses the "Sofia" anti-draw rules, meaning that players can only draw by mutual agreement with the permission of the arbiter. The "Bilbao" scoring system (3-1-0) is also in use.

UPDATE: The Bilbao leg rest day has been changed from the original schedule to be today (Wednesday), so round 8 is on Thursday 11 October!

The Bilbao schedule

07-Oct Opening
08-Oct Round 6
09-Oct Round 7
10-Oct Rest Day
11-Oct Round 8
12-Oct Round 9
13-Oct Round 10

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Games via TWIC. Photo from the official website.

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  • 22 months ago

    Crazychessplaya

    I can't recall Anand playing worse than in this tournament. One loss, not a single win.

  • 22 months ago

    Melchizedek10

    It has never been change before?...why now when Anand is the champion?..hmm

  • 22 months ago

    huga1

    In the mean time, Congratulations to Carlsen for the win against Anand !  I really hope the WC rules will change in such a way that the existing champ will no loger qualify automatically for the title match. Let him prove in the qualifying tournaments that he deserves to be in the final match !

  • 22 months ago

    fabelhaft

    "a player only looking for the "World Champion" title might only concentrate on that, with a worse performance in non-championship events"

    No one spends decades of their lives on chess with the purpose of not really caring about 99% of the events they play in. Just look at Lasker, Kasparov, Karpov etc. Or look at Anand, who didn't even participate in the traditional World Championship cycle after 1995 up until 2007, but of course wanted to impress the world with great chess and certainly succeeded. All top players care a lot about playing well and performing well. You won't find anyone suggesting that Messi only tries his best every fourth year, and that someone happening to be better than him in a match then would prove to be the better player because he doesn't really care about other events.

  • 22 months ago

    fabelhaft

    "Please realize that this is simply your personal definition. As intuitive and convincing as it may seem to you, it's not everyone else's, universally. Certainly it's not FIDE's definition, it appears"

    FIDE of course never defined who the best player in the world is. They have a rating list that is topped by #1 and they have a World Championship that is held by the World Champion.

  • 22 months ago

    piphilologist

    #1 rated= best performing player over all tournaments and matches played in.

    World Champion= best performing player in the World Championship series of tournaments and matches.

    Logically the #1 rated would be best, because the performance is based on more games and therefore more accurate. However a player only looking for the "World Champion" title might only concentrate on that, with a worse performance in non-championship events.

  • 22 months ago

    _valentin_

    fabelhaft:  "The best player is the player that plays the best chess and scores the best results, otherwise the word "best" wouldn't have much meaning."

    Please realize that this is simply your personal definition. As intuitive and convincing as it may seem to you, it's not everyone else's, universally.  Certainly it's not FIDE's definition, it appears.

  • 22 months ago

    fabelhaft

    ""Best is when no one is better than you."  Well, who is better than Anand?  In other words, who can beat Anand?  Until today, no one on this strongest-ever supertournament has come close to that feat.  We don't have evidence that anyone in the world today is capable of that?"

    So Anand being unbeaten in parts of one tournament would show that no one is capable of beating him? That's being rather selective, Aronian has 5-0 against Anand since the latter won the title so it would be no less logical to claim that Anand isn't capable of beating Aronian. Apart from that I think "best" is connected to being able to beat opponents, and if drawing eight games in a row is enough proof that someone is the best player in the world this has been accomplished numerous times by much weaker players than Anand.

    "On the other hand, if your definition of "best" is "The one who wins the most tournaments and places close to the top of rankings the most", then the Carlsen fans have a point.  But that in a strange way coincides with the definition of "most popular" or "flashiest""

    I don't think it has anything to do with being a Carlsen fan or not, or that having the best results isn't really about playing strength but rather is some sort of popularity contest. The best player is the player that plays the best chess and scores the best results, otherwise the word "best" wouldn't have much meaning.

  • 22 months ago

    _valentin_

    People keep talking about who is best.  But for that discussion to be meaningful you have to first agree on what "best" really means.

    One definition, that is hard to argue with and I'm sure most aren't considering, is "Best is when no one is better than you."  Well, who is better than Anand?  In other words, who can beat Anand?  Until today, no one on this strongest-ever supertournament has come close to that feat.  We don't have evidence that anyone in the world today is capable of that?  Perhaps some have chances, but in a 1-on-1 match over multiple games the dynamics are different and the experience plays an important role.

    On the other hand, if your definition of "best" is "The one who wins the most tournaments and places close to the top of rankings the most", then the Carlsen fans have a point.  But that in a strange way coincides with the definition of "most popular" or "flashiest"...

    Or another definition is, "best" is "The one who dominates the most people from the 2700+ list".  It's reasonable, and may feel compelling but it's not universally accepted as such.

    And so forth -- there's many possible definitions -- and people on this list keep arguing their point by using their own favorite definition, often not realizing that others define it differently.  I bet even Anand's own definition of "best" is not the same as Carlsen's...

    But again -- it depends on how you define it.  I do not take sides, just pointing out the omission in the logic.

  • 22 months ago

    fabelhaft

    To me this fixed (and quite common) idea about the World Champion always being the best player in the world is some sort of belief system that isn't connected to logic or reason. Kramnik lost the qualification match to Shirov, and the higher rated Anand declined the match, so Kramnik became a better player than the two simply by being the one to be picked instead.

    Euwe lost his match to Capa without winning a single game, and scored worse results in general, but was better than him anyway just because Alekhine picked him. Capa had 5-0 and 2 draws in 7 games against Bogo but the latter was still the much stronger player in the late 20s and early 30s since Alekhine even picked him twice. Gelfand is better than Carlsen since he won a knockout lottery of the sort Khalifman and Kasimdzhanov won, where Carlsen (who has won his last games against Gelfand and is 100 points higher rated) wasn't playing. All this just doesn't make any sense.

  • 22 months ago

    fabelhaft

    First anyone thinking Anand isn't the best player in the world at the moment was an ignorant racist, then anyone even doubting that Anand is better than Carlsen today was just plain wrong, and now comes a bunch of made up quotes. I wonder what it is with Carlsen playing great chess the last years that makes people go so ballistic.

  • 22 months ago

    chessdoggblack

    For all those chess players who won't face reality, the bottom line once again is (do you hold the chess title of the world)? Anand has had the title five times I believe, and until Carlsen wins it you can't make the claim that he is the "best" chess player. Even Carlsen knows this: without the world chess title "I am just another good rated player." In addition, if he does win the world chess title it will not make him the best in chess history. Anand knows this: Carlsen will never set chess history records that I have accomplished overall in his life time. Tongue Out

  • 22 months ago

    GeniusKJ

    Check out the game where Anand beat Magnus in the london chess classic, I think it was... he grinded out a win instead of offering a draw. If that same position occurred today, I think Anand would offer a draw, that's my point.

    But yes, Anand definitely wants to remain WCC so he is motivated for that.

  • 22 months ago

    fabelhaft

    "anybody who doubts that he may be the best player, is dead wrong"

    I see.

  • 22 months ago

    huga1

    Well, than please tell this to Topalov, Gelfand and all the rest of the players Anand beaten in WC matches while he was not winning any tournament. May be he doesn't intent to follow my theory, but it's damn sure he is preparing very well just for the WC matches and not for the tournaments. So anybody who doubts that he may be the best player, is dead wrong (my opinnion as a Carlsen fan)

  • 22 months ago

    fabelhaft

    All great players of the past and present respect themselves and the game, and that also means doing their best to get good results and play well. All great chess players want to win games. The idea that Anand isn't trying to win games because he intends to surprise the opponent in a title match in the distant future doesn't make much sense. How surprised was Gelfand by all the amazing preparation Anand was supposed to have saved in every tournament the last five years that he supposedly hasn't tried to win? And who would approach a title match with some kind of "the World Champion didn't play well lately so I won't have to prepare for the match"-attitude? Carlsen is better than Anand today, and because of this scores better results, it just isn't more complicated than that. Chess players care very much about their results and how well they play, they want to win, and no one says year in year out to themselves that they don't need to win or play their best chess.

  • 22 months ago

    huga1

    Not at all !  If you see a flaw in my logic, please feel free to point it out.

  • 22 months ago

    fabelhaft

    Well I hope you're kidding, huga1 :-)

  • 22 months ago

    SanWogi

    Right, Drawnand is almost unbeatable. It's not unlikely that even Carlsen might loose a WC-Match against him. 

  • 22 months ago

    huga1

    First of all, please allow me to point out that I am a Carlsen fan. Nevertheless I would never ever adventure myself in saying that Carlsen is better than Anand, just taking into consideration the tournaments played by Ananad. Guys, please take a break, Anand is not playing the tournaments to win them !!! Despite the other tournament players, he doesn't need the win, he is already qualified for the WC title match !  He is a very pragmatic type of person, so he is preparing extremly well just the title match. It's like he is telling everybdy "look how poor is my actual chess play" just to surprise them in the WC match. If you are falling for this, well ... it's your problem, but I am not counting on it for a single moment. I am hoping that his future WC title opponent will not be lured by Anand's attitude in these tournaments.

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