This 4 Player Chess Speed Championship has been in the works for quite some time. The decision to make it resemble the format of the last edition is understandable. However, I would definitely like to see Blitz involved for the future. Chesscom's Regular Speed Chess Championship has Time Controls 5+1, 3+1, and 1+1. So why are we going 1 minute and below for 4PC? I understand that with 4 Players on the board, the games last longer, but still. I'm also not optimistic of what the viewing experience of this Championship format will be like. How will non regulars of 4PC understand what's going on from just bullet? How will the Commentators manage to explain what's happening on the board in 30sec matches? There's a lot of moving parts here, and this upcoming championship will give answers to more questions. For the next time, just my very brief and early suggestion would be to have something like 5 games of 4|0 Blitz followed by 10 games of 1|0 Bullet for the Finals after players have qualified, for example. Or some X set amount of 4|0 games followed by a 1-hour portion of 1|0 Bullet games. I believe the Championship will be more skillful, not just bullet, in accordance to SCC, and overall a better product. I'm looking at 2024 as something of a comeback year for 4PC. There's many things to improve, but they're surely doable. Hopefully this year we can solve certain important existential issues, and all of us together can embark in a prosperous direction for the growth of 4PC <3
🪓 2024 Free-For-All (FFA) World 4 Player Speed Chess Championships (W4SCC) 🏆 ⚔️ (DISCUSSION)
Unless you're playing with 2500+ players, then you'd be a laughingstock for trying explicitly degenerate plays and not moves that require an actual plan to execute; tbh, I'd have loved 3 min or 4 min as the flagging time control (and @Cha_ChaRealSmooth had similar thoughts on stream today), but it's really just about having skill in multiple sectors.
If you speak about a 3 / 0 or 4 / 0 blitz championship, I agree 100%, that would be just perfect. I've asked many times about a blitz championship, as we've had mainly Rapid and Bullet/Hyper so far. 3 or 4 minutes are definitely enough for experienced players and nobody can say that he lost because of time, contrary to pure bullet or hyper.
ChaCha, Luke, why to wait for 2024 for that? It is not too late yet to rectify. My point is: 30 0 can't work for a championship, it doesn't make sense (for marketing aspects that ChaCha mentioned, and also because many people are very good in bullet, but can't cope in hyper, and oblige them to play 30 0 in the final stages is just silly, you can't mix these 2 formats that are quite different in spirit).
I suggest that you only keep 1 / 1 for all stages.
And YES, a 3 0 or 4 0 blitz championship is definitely needed.
ChaCha, Luke, why to wait for 2024 for that? It is not too late yet to rectify. My point is: 30 0 can't work for a championship, it doesn't make sense (for marketing aspects that ChaCha mentioned, and also because many people are very good in bullet, but can't cope in hyper, and oblige them to play 30 0 in the final stages is just silly, you can't mix these 2 formats that are quite different in spirit).
I suggest that you only keep 1 / 1 for all stages.
And YES, a 3 0 or 4 0 blitz championship is definitely needed.
On the idea that a blitz championship would be a much preferable format over a bullet (if there was a choice) I am agreed on the matter with Vahan and Indi, but speaking specifically for a bullet championship (Not sure "speed chess championship" is precise and perhaps misleading for standard chess players like myself)...
- As a participant in the last championship I rather think the selected time controls are quite reasonable in that they capture the essence of bullet 4pc: play on intuition, make critical decisions in time pressure often but balanced with how you handle increment/non-increment, and have some knowledge in the whole premove game because that is an essential part of good bullet. I am a great hater of hyper because it's mind-numbing-just-premove-everything nonesense because no critical decisions can be made, whereas 30sec or more is quite a chunk of time to still play some good chess where you have about 15sec to pause for critical decisions and not lose on time.
- In other words, in my opinion the chosen format forces one to be very skilled in every format of what we generally consider true bullet chess, therefore if you aren't good at every aspect (increment vs non-increment) you shouldn't be a champion anyway. Still would love a true speed championship (maybe blitz and "slower" bullet hybrid?) as an alternative for 2024 or beyond.
what arenas???
Read the post; the championship doesn't start until January
Sweet! Thanks Luke
ChaCha, Luke, why to wait for 2024 for that? It is not too late yet to rectify. My point is: 30 0 can't work for a championship, it doesn't make sense (for marketing aspects that ChaCha mentioned, and also because many people are very good in bullet, but can't cope in hyper, and oblige them to play 30 0 in the final stages is just silly, you can't mix these 2 formats that are quite different in spirit).
I suggest that you only keep 1 / 1 for all stages.
And YES, a 3 0 or 4 0 blitz championship is definitely needed.
I thought 3/4 was a good tc in 2021
3/4 is no longer a listed time control, so it was either 30 sec or 1 min
1|1 and 1/2|0 are EXTREMELY different formats. You can't put them together. A 1/2|0 game makes maximum 2 min. overall. A 1|1 can easily reach 10 min. and beyond. It's definitely too VERY DIFFERENT GAMES, in fact 1/2|0 is rather HYPER, not bullet. You can't reasonably put them together in the same championship, it's like putting together sprint 60 m. and 1 km runners, just doesn't make any sense.
Being a runner it’s more like putting a 2 mile and an 800m together
Being a runner it’s more like putting a 2 mile and an 800m together
Putting miles and meters together is the real crime 🤡
For a sec I didn't see warmup and got confused that how did it start on jan3rd
For a sec I didn't see warmup and got confused that how did it start on jan3rd
Time conversions. IST is different from CST. It’s January 3 in the USA right now but January 4 in India.
For a sec I didn't see warmup and got confused that how did it start on jan3rd
Time conversions. IST is different from CST. It’s January 3 in the USA right now but January 4 in India.
I think he means he thought “how did the championship start early” before seeing warmup in the arena name
I agree that hyperbullet requires dirty tricks sometimes. However, I don't think that 30 seconds is hyper.