EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP QUOTING EVERYONE AND CHESS.COM NEEDS TO CREATE SEPARATE "CONTAINERS" FOR RANDOM 4 PLAYER CHESS AND THIS WILL CREATE A KILL MODULE PHASE
Dead King Walking (used to be a 4PC Variant, now is a part of standard rules)
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May 27, 2019
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#84
you know...where all your poor play ends up going when someone doesn't like something...well to be more precise SEPARATE MULTIPLE CONTAINERS
May 28, 2019
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#85
funny how it occurs so many times. I try to cut open my right opponent and at the time I get the chance to checkmate, the player resigns out of desperation and the drunk king starts to walk around.
please take a look at the turn 17 when I make c8 move:
https://www.chess.com/4-player-chess?g=1531856-68
May 28, 2019
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#86
spacebar wrote:
> because the outcome was not based on chance but on skill
Huh? More skill is required now, no?
It's not quite that simple anymore to get lucky just because someone disconnected.
> Not only does it prevent this game from being implemented on a real live board
why not? you can roll a dice etc to pick one of the 1-8 legal moves
>Randomness has no place on a chess board
What about points? and winning by resigning?
i find in the end it's not so unlike players who would just continue to move around hoping for a miracle, a fairer way to deal with the situation. a real fight for the +20, plus a real possibility that the +20 will end up getting shared.
you could if you had an 8-sided dice roller to determine LUCK built into the game...anyone else get tired of quoting other people?
May 28, 2019
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#87
if i could just gosh darn remember everything we wouldn't have all these quotients and wouldn't have to pay attention to the cause...............system failure 1
In one of my games, I resigned and then I got to Koth but I didn't win. In fact, the one with the most points(Green) won. https://www.chess.com/4-player-chess?g=1734225-0
Jul 8, 2019
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#91
see #1 "Resigned kings don't get points for capturing pieces (or checkmating players)"
koth = checkmate everyone
Of course shouldn't win but seems annoying have to keep even dead kings away from the center if not in the lead... or win by pushing a dead king towards the center if you are in the lead
Now it's no longer a variant. Now it's applied to all FFA games.
Jul 19, 2019
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#94
You are right @YeJunChi. In https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/4pc-variants-list we wrote "En passant and Dead King Walking (DKW) will become standard rules." Time to edit it. 
They are already standard lules
Aug 26, 2019
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#96
another example where DKW ruins the game
https://www.chess.com/4-player-chess?g=1968902-154
At turn 46 - yellow still has a good chance of winning the game if the green dead king had chose another direction to move, but it captures the pawn and makes it super easy for red to capture the other pawn (I did not enjoy this win either).. it seems no one really cares about this issue anymore and people got used to it but Im missing the more logical version of 4PC yet.
imo, before dkw, games were constantly ruined by players getting lucky to pick up free, undeserved 20 points.
Aug 28, 2019
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#98
@Ziwaawa we already discussed that in the community. the thing is you can not guaranty the fairness (justice) through randomness. now what about those who deserve getting 20 points and lose it because of this randomness? how can one decide that which group benefits more without DWK? and after all it is all about the beauty of the chess which is not "Random" by its nature
Jul 29, 2020
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#99
spacebar wrote:
test server now hosting dkw "2.0": resigned kings will insta-move (not only on next turn). This introcudes new moves such as Kh1-h2T (timed out and moved to h2), RS (resigned into stalemate, points will be shared), R# (resigned into checkmate, points given to player(s) that are checking (couldn't find a scenario where two players checking was not already mate before resigns, but in case it's possible, points will be shared between the checking players).
try it on test server (enable dkw in edit position)
found a scenario where two players are checking a king but it is not already checkmate. I was green, I resigned into mate, the players checking got 10 points each, and for some reason, the game was aborted
Ummm Mr. Predator I'm just saying but I feel that I want to oppose your point. Resignation was part of the game but the 3 players left can't just divide up the points. This means that a futer has to play it in order to see who gets the points. Also the futers are highly intelligent (some has near 2000 ratings) so I believe the game to be just. This way checkmate is still valued but the futer doesn't have that much an impact on the game. (about the ratings see here chess.com/4pc-test)
@BabYagun
> What if a Dead King will Walk only when checked? Is it better or worse?
It helps for sure. less randomness provides a more deterministic environment so players are given opportunity to plan for a single checkmate move.
in addition I think it should not be simply a 'random move' after check, I mean the dead king could use survival logic (like avoid bottleneck) so players would be able to guess which way he is going. it is also more consistent with the classic chess and makes more sense to new players.
In the good old 4PC, good players used to win by managing the flow of the game and dead kings were the most precious entities. any kind of change that makes the game less managable (like *current* DKW) converts the 4PC into a totally different game. with DKW you are altering the cost-benefiet factor so the dead kings are no longer the #1 priority and the game goes into last stand mode (which is cool unless you want to replace it with original mode). In the last stand mode good players win by staying alive with enough material to overcome remaining players who were busy fighting each other and chasing the dead king.
that's why Im saying this is a totally different game, some people like it more and some like it less so maybe it is better to let the original mode live alongside DKW.