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I posted a game for us to look at and discuss as a group. Its by no means perfect, but I think it is a good example of black defending and gradually taking advantage of weaknesses in the white position. Feel free to comment or ask questions about anything. You can't get stronger if you don't ask questions Wink

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What was white's plan with 39. h7 ?

 

By the way 33. fxg5 f4!  and 38. Rf1Bg3 is a marvelous move. we should always have to look after these kinda in-between moves.

 What do you think, does white overlooked 20. Qd1 or simple wanted to place the queen to the h5?

If she does, than 21. a4 doesnt fit in the picture. 

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Can anyone tell me where did I go wrong?

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The idea of 39. h7 is that if I don't take the queen immediately, then it escapes by going to h6 and backwards along the c1-h6 diagonal.

I think 20. Qd1 was played just because the queen is really misplaced on a4. 20. Rab1 would have been much stronger, after which Qd1 and a4 is a perfectly reasonable plan.

In your game, I think the problems started after 5. e6. Your dark squares are very weak, particularly after the dark squared bishop comes off the board.

I also think when you were expanding on the queenside you should have been concentrating more on the center, with moves like Nd7 and trying to play c5.

By move 10 the white position looks very good because your pieces are all trapped on the queenside, while the white pieces are already aiming at your king. Most of white's plan early in the game is centered around eliminating the dark squared bishop. As I said earlier, without it on the board, your dark squares are easy to take advantage of because of all of the pawn moves made early in the game.

I think 11. ...Nf5 was a little weak, also. I like 11. ...Qb6 or 11. ...Ba6 a little better because you really need to be able to play c5 to get any counterplay.

After 17. e6! I think black is close to losing. The white pieces have a very easy time finding weaknesses, while the black pieces aren't really doing anything.

You defended pretty well, but the problem was that in the opening you created many long-term weaknesses for white to attack, which is what ultimately caused you to lose later. The white position would have been easy to play, since the pieces all had very natural squares to go to, while the black pieces were difficult to coordinate because there were no targets in the white position to go after.

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Ahaa, so he tried to defend. I dont even recognized that the Q is trapped. :D

Thx for advices. 11. ...Nf5 was a very experimental move. I am not that skilled and i am trying pawn built ups.

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What do you think about 4. ...Bxb1? is it reasonable to do?
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4. ...Bxb1 looks just fine with the Qa5+ and Qxa2 followup. Looks like a clean extra pawn to me.

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you would be surprised how many players make this move, and not bad players, therefore i thought its not really good for black, or I dunno :D

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Please everyone tell his opinion about this 9th move and its follow up pawn structure, who have any experiences or opinion about it. I am using it sometimes, and i think its not that bad.

So,  defenders :) Opinions?

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That is an interesting structure. It is generally pretty double-edged. You get more center control and an open f-file, but the drawbacks are that your king loses some protection and your pawn structure is a little less flexible.

In this particular position, I would say it is a reasonable plan since black is behind in development and you are trading off black's best piece for one of yours that isn't doing anything.

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I'm posting an interesting game I played recently. I would like to hear your opinion, especially about the 11. - c4 move. Unfortunately I made some passive moves around 26., so it ended up in a very difficult positional game. My opponent forfeited after taking his bishop, however I'm still not sure if I could have avoided a permanent check. I would be happy to hear your opinions about that, too.
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I don't really see anything wrong with 11. ...c4. Its just one way to handle the position. I think the nature of the position is just that it is going to be a slow, positional game anyway. The problem is that white actually has some compensation for the pawn, since their bishops are much stronger than your bishop and knight. Luckily, it doesn't seem like white was really sure what they should have been doing.

At the end, I don't think you need to worry about a perpetual check, since if it gets breally bad, you can always sacrifice the knight and still be up a few pawns in the endgame.

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Agree. I would make the same move in 11. 46th and 47 th move close the position nicely.

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I have a question to the game: polleke (2220) vs. KRLLK (1600). Would it be a good move, if in move 25 black takes the knight with the queen Qg5 and after that the black king can take the castle in Kh7. So that black lost the queen, but white lost the castle and the knight. I often ask myself if it is worth to sacrifice the queen to get two other pieces from the opponent.

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Parcos, that is an interesting idea, but unfortunately, it doesn't work as well as it appears.

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Yes. White had some vicious attacks. In generally I do agree with you Pacos, I often ask it too. If this position would be closed, perhaps it would be fine.