Automatic Draw In A Teams Game

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fourplayerchess

nullNo checkmates or stalemates can be made.

agnsu

Nice proof of concept, but as in regular chess this is resolved by the 100 move rule.

fourplayerchess

In this position, there’s no position that Red/Yellow or Blue/Green can reach to win/lose by forcing themselves or each other to be in a situation where there are no legal moves.

agnsu

yeah totally, I can see that, but they also cannot take pieces or push pawns so the game will terminate in 100 moves (ie no need for a auto draw functionality here) 

agnsu

Or is that not what you are suggesting? I suppose maybe you're just sharing an interesting and novel board configuration, fair enough. 

fourplayerchess

You bring up a good point about the auto draw functionality. I am all about getting rid of that and seeing the game play for 100 more plies. Furthermore, even a drawn teams game should count as halfway in between winning and losing rating gains/losses. I am indeed sharing an "interesting and novel board configuration." I am also suggesting that with just four kings there is a way to stalemate an opponent and by rule if no legal moves can be made on your turn, your opponents win. The following picture is completely hypothetical but it shows that red has no legal moves if it is his turn.

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koenvw2

when can i do it????

 

 

spacebar

Draws i believe have not yet been implemented in Teams, kinda a bug really. in FFA, it makes sense that if there is even 1 minor on the board, the game continues (unless only 2 players left). what would be good insuff. material rules for teams? also team stalemate should be a draw.

rezacz

its very hard to write function which can check it, in chess is no automatic draw when all board is block

 

spacebar

how about in teams, if 4 kings + 1 minor left, it's a draw? otherwise ppl will have to play 50 moves each

fourplayerchess

1. I disagree with the idea that we should draw for stalemate. We should keep the rule that a player loses if he can make no legal moves otherwise we have to play out the next move and capture the king every time there’s a checkmate. See the consistency?

2. I also disagree with the idea that we should draw for one minor and four kings. It’s 25 moves per person, not 50. 25x4=100 plies

Dmouse2

i never knew there were draws in teams. there are all pawns in the position and if it were a regular chess game with only two people it would be a draw, understand?  I don't want to say "get what I mean" again.  it's strange.

rezacz

4 king +minor its win position

fourplayerchess

Rezacz, I agree! Won position, but based on 100 ply rule it depends. Can hero team bring their kings towards enemy kings with their minor piece in 25 move cycles?

rezacz

probably depend where are kings

 

Martin0
rezacz wrote:

4 king +minor its win position

Are you sure about this? I have no doubt that 2 kings+minor can checkmate a lone king, but I am not sure if it is a win with the weaker side having 2 kings that potentially can help each other.

fourplayerchess

Two kings can win in a game against one king and then the whole world for that person’s partner.

fourplayerchess

nullactually...

Martin0

stalemate will be equal to draw. And let's be clear, I am speaking of forced wins here, not theoretically possible to checkmate.

rezacz

yeah stalemate ideas wins but stalemate have to lost because another way its stupid