Bot ratings need to be fixed.

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Avatar of MRIsaacRich14

Have you ever noticed that the bot ratings are much lower than what they say?

I, as a 1000, can beat 1500, but when I play 1000, it doesn't play as well as a normal 1000-rated player. Is this shared or just me?

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yeah, ive played a 700 bot and im rated 200 for rapid😭

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bots never have game ratings even close to their display ratings I feel

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i'm a 400 rapid and i can beat 1300 bots

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It's really hard to make a bot play like a specific rating, especially when the engine is designed to play the best moves. A lot of different parameters have to be tweaked and it's not always going to be an accurate translation.

Players can have a rating based on a number different factors. Some one bad at endgames and openings but good at tactics could have the same rating as someone good at openings and endgames but bad at tactics. One player could only be rated due to losing on time a lot.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

It's really hard to make a bot play like a specific rating, especially when the engine is designed to play the best moves. A lot of different parameters have to be tweaked and it's not always going to be an accurate translation.

Players can have a rating based on a number different factors. Some one bad at endgames and openings but good at tactics could have the same rating as someone good at openings and endgames but bad at tactics. One player could only be rated due to losing on time a lot.

That actually makes sense.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

It's really hard to make a bot play like a specific rating, especially when the engine is designed to play the best moves. A lot of different parameters have to be tweaked and it's not always going to be an accurate translation.

Players can have a rating based on a number different factors. Some one bad at endgames and openings but good at tactics could have the same rating as someone good at openings and endgames but bad at tactics. One player could only be rated due to losing on time a lot.

yeah, I understand it's particularly difficult to make low-rated bots (as it is surprisingly more difficult to create easy levels for games than more difficult ones - though this is unrelated)... but really

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Yesterday i beated 1200 rated coach and game review rated my game 1350 and coach's 850 so yeah ratings shall be fixed and coach plays easier than some 150-250 players

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ferranox wrote:

I agree - I am rated 600 rapid and I can comfortably beat a 1500 bot. Check this out:

me too

Avatar of Chessica_for_America

Im 700 and Ibeat wendy

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Martin_Stahl wrote:

It's really hard to make a bot play like a specific rating, especially when the engine is designed to play the best moves. A lot of different parameters have to be tweaked and it's not always going to be an accurate translation.

Players can have a rating based on a number different factors. Some one bad at endgames and openings but good at tactics could have the same rating as someone good at openings and endgames but bad at tactics. One player could only be rated due to losing on time a lot.

@Martin_Stahl As the biggest chess site with millions of games everyday, cc has a large data set which can be used to make these bots more accurate. I believe lichess does something like this in general play aswell as data for time usage. Correct me if Im wrong but I think this should be possible.

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GMlightining2200 wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:

It's really hard to make a bot play like a specific rating, especially when the engine is designed to play the best moves. A lot of different parameters have to be tweaked and it's not always going to be an accurate translation.

Players can have a rating based on a number different factors. Some one bad at endgames and openings but good at tactics could have the same rating as someone good at openings and endgames but bad at tactics. One player could only be rated due to losing on time a lot.

@Martin_Stahl As the biggest chess site with millions of games everyday, cc has a large data set which can be used to make these bots more accurate. I believe lichess does something like this in general play aswell as data for time usage. Correct me if Im wrong but I think this should be possible.

Technically it could be possible if they wanted to use a different engine. All the bots are based on Komodo and it doesn't use NNUE or have access to data like that. The site would need to use a different engine and most NNUE type engines are pretty large.

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I am 650 rapid and can beat 1500 bot sometimes It's really weird most of the time I just play against a higher rated bot than me and that solves it (Not applicable for hikaru to play higher rated bot)

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Wait cant you just lower the number that the bot's elo says, because id say 90 of people 600 elo cna beat an 1100 elo bot, so cant you lower it atleast a little?