>there is no justification for it being played exactly the same as teams.
There is, it's the best strategy to win/gain rating.
Gain rating over the long term, yes. Over the short term/individual game, I'd say no 9since people are deliberately taking 2nd when they have shots at 1st...sometimes even the best chances by far), and in terms of winning (eg - accumulating the most 1sts), I'm not so sure.
The real interesting thing is going to be the championships, when rating inc/dec doesn't come into play. Will players who feel honor-bound to support their opposite to the end (and accept 2nd) still do so when it becomes an actual disadvantage to?
Champs will be Solo, no glory for 2nd.
The better question is: What rules could be added/changed to make FFA less teamy? other than Solo/WTA
see https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/how-about-2-or-even-more-goals-of-the-game
and https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/goodbye-four-player-chess
If this dont deserve to be banned https://www.chess.com/4-player-chess?g=2018223-203
, i will just leave this mode or better, get a mate to play ffa like team ,you all should do this :u
lol, I saw zero teaming in this game that deserves a ban.
4PC FFA is not for you sir.
Champs will be Solo, no glory for 2nd.
The better question is: What rules could be added/changed to make FFA less teamy? other than Solo/WTA
see https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/how-about-2-or-even-more-goals-of-the-game
and https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/goodbye-four-player-chess
Other than asking the community to respect the original FFA format (for example before a game starts make a message on screen) to try to limit teaming to a certain extent, it's hard to make change without establishing punitive measures. Teaming in ffa is a natural phenomenon.
The problem is not fiercely attacking together. That is by far the most efficient way to get into the 3-way, even more, an advantageous 3-way; and I expect and hope to see this dynamism and impetus in the world championship. The problem is when it goes past that, which I haven´t seen and I don´t expect to see in any 4-chess competition.
@johnbrady9656 there is already a team of people banning cheaters; our job is a lot easier if we don't have to sort for hours through useless reports that had no business being submitted if the people had bothered to read what the actual rules are and what is and isn't against the rules. The whole 4PC was developed by one person mostly without monetary compensation, and the mods reviewing the reports are just players volunteering their time. In other words, it's pretty much a community effort where no one is getting paid, so forgive us for expecting a little participation on your part and interrupting your privileged trance of having everything handed to you on a silver platter on a free website (hope that's not too harsh : )
it is not about the rating for me, the "teaming" has gotten much worse, as reported when an opponent does not take another opponents piece when complete benefit and other move makes gains nothing and then they both start attacking you because of the piece not easily taken becomes involved in the attack (cant prepare for that because essentially playing 2 players), that is a strong sign whether started game with that plan or it developed during that teaming occurred, and especially when happens more than once in a game...this should be viewed as teaming and no previous games needed, players leaving queens hanging with opponents and then attacking you is the most common
@Tails comment 100: Oh suuuure that is teaming. I mean, it is ridiculous to think that I would ever take a free mate as red that is clearly right in front of my eyes. I mean, definitely I shouldn't take a free 20 points AND let blue survive. Makes a lot of sense.
@Howdy_folks You are aware though that teaming with the player opposite is the best strategy in FFA? All high rated FFA games are essentially Teams games. If there is only one winner however, the best strategy changes, so if you don't like teaming with opposite, play Solo!
Teaming is not forbidden! Hence the description "pre-arranged" which requires more than one game to prove.
Yes, but dont have to team with anyone in FFA and the game works fine. Does not mean that 2 cannot hit one due to weakness. Please read what I said again, I was making a completely different point that should be against the rules.
>dont have to team with anyone in FFA and the game works fine
at high level (say 1900+), you will end up 3rd or 4th every time if you don't team with your opposite.
The admins do ban players for illegal teaming. That said, 95% of reports they get on illegal teaming are not valid, rather player's just don't understand what's legal and what's not. Ganging up on someone happens all the time, without using chat or without being pre-arranged. It's always been a part of FFA.
Please share links to games in which you found illegal teaming, to illustrate your point on what should be against the rules.
totally disagree, at any level you can win without teaming....again, do you agree with what I wrote is teaming...letting pieces hang, not taking and then using together, if that is not against the rules then I will stop FFA...obvious advantage to take but dont
it is only because the opposites team that you would have to team to not be 3rd or 4th, but teaming of any kind is against the rules of FFA or they should change the rules to expected teaming among opposites until individual game starts later ?????? really?
@Howdy_folks you're only rehashing the same arguments that have been going on here for several years; maybe you didn't even bother to read the original post and replies; in any case, any move allowed by the game rules \ any strategy is allowed in FFA as long as no communication exists between the players before \ during the game. Solo was already introduced as a solution to people with similar complaints to yours who want to discourage the use of the teaming with opposite as a viable strategy (as well as other experiments that probably haven't been thoroughly tested, such as Opp X, simply because people don't play them often enough, but they exist as options). Instead of continuing to preach to the choir, go play Solo. The official stance is that anything goes in FFA, as long as its happening over the board.
I'm also personally not a fan of FFA, but I think Solo is great and closer to what we instinctively expect FFA to look like, as long as the players are clear on the rules.
1/5 is too fast and not yet been able to get a longer game going, and 1/5 hardly makes
Oh and yes, I am obviously an idiot. Cant read either. Suggesting easy way to save FFA but you dont have the means (your perspective) to enforce blatant teaming during the game when the person does not benefit, hanging pieces...easy to find guys, just try and do a better job of enforce teaming but you gave up, so you destroyed a good game because you made teaming beneficially in an FFA game....please change the name if you keep it the same. Maybe solo will eventually get more popular but with the demise of FFA, right now I am seeing a big drop in players in 4 way. Think I will go play more single games for a while.
there is a big difference between slightly favoring one side and naturally usually opposing for future gains and blatant teaming (not needed to be agreed before either), think that is what you are missing from my comments, if allow flagrant pieces hanging and such then FFA will always suck and I think many or most would agree with me
>there is no justification for it being played exactly the same as teams.
There is, it's the best strategy to win/gain rating.
>There is no way that any FFA player that is not deliberately teaming in the same way can possibly compete.
True.
Soon we will promote Solo/WTA alongside FFA and Teams. That said, cooperating with opposite might still be a promising strategy in Solo. It's the 3 player stage that becomes very, very different.