Could some evolutionist post how the Solar System(how they think) it was made?

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PyriteDragon

Being a religious figurehead does not make someone a better person than everyone else.

- For years, priests have been sexually abusing young boys, and the clergy knew about it for a long time and didn’t help the children. Many stories have been coming out in recent years.

- Recently, a pastor claimed to be helping children in a third world country by giving them “miracle water” which had bleach in it.

- There are things that Gandhi did that were immoral too.

- Kent Hovind did bad things too.

LhcAndrewB

Not sure how that's on topic.... 

And I completely agree! We are all sinners!

And those last points may be true, but you didn't elaborate on them 

PyriteDragon

I also want to say that lying isn’t always bad. During the Holocaust, many gentiles hid Jews from the Nazis, made lies to save them, and they were able to create fake identification cards with fake names for the Jews, all to save lives.

Also, parents sometimes keep secrets from their children in order to protect them, and sometimes lie in order to cover up the secrets.

 

PyriteDragon
LhcAndrewB wrote:

Not sure how that's on topic.... 

And I completely agree! We are all sinners!

And those last points may be true, but you didn't elaborate on them 

My responses are in response to amrugg’s question if I think creationist websites would lie. And I was saying that just because someone is religious doesn’t mean that they’re going to adhere to the morals that they preach about.

LhcAndrewB

They wouldn't just lie here because they have absolutely NOTHING in return if some one believes them And if they were, all it would take is a major website/company to ruin them by pointing out there faults. I haven't heard of this happening, have you?

 

PyriteDragon

I played the trumpet throughout middle school and high school. I participated in a marching band in eleventh grade. I was a summer camp counselor when I was sixteen and seventeen.

I am left handed. I have red hair and green eyes. I was born in Los Angeles. My last name is Dougherty.

 

All of these I said were lies. Did I get anything in return for saying that to people? No. The only thing that I did with the lies was prove a point.... and now coming to think of it, that’s what the people on the creationist websites did, except my words were about lying and theirs were about spreading misinformation. They probably believe what they’re saying, while I didn’t believe what I was saying. It’s like the whole thing about people claiming that vaccinations cause autism. It simply isn’t true.

LhcAndrewB

And what about my second point?

And I think it's being a little biased to say that their goal is "spreading misinformation."

PyriteDragon

Information is neutral. Opinion is bias.

 

Edit: Okay, please refer to my next comment. It’s a much better response than this one.

PyriteDragon

Look. Here’s how bias works. I for a fact have dark hair, dark brown. If someone else tells me that I have red hair and I tell them, “no, I have dark brown hair,” I am calling out that person’s observation that is false. I am not being biased. If I say, “well, maybe I’ll consider the red hair idea, okay, perhaps my hair could be reddish brown,” I am taking their words and my words in equal consideration, but I am wrong.

amrugg
stephen_33 wrote:
MainframeSupertasker wrote:

Well, i thought you wanted a source, and he gave one, it probably contains what you're talking about.

First of all he refers to 'buying' the series & I have no intention of forking out good money for what I suspect is little more than creationist propaganda & second, when I search for that series this is what I get...

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24 Nov 2018 - The best evolutionary models say that many of the planets in our solar system should not exist. Yet there they are. Did God create our Solar
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Clearly a creationist product.

Would a evolutionist say what they think is wrong? And if you got them, you would hear a lot of quotes. Look at them.

amrugg
stephen_33 wrote:

The reason that some of the finest minds on the planet accept that our Solar System is about 4.6 billion years old & the Universe much older, is because the best evidence very strongly guides us to that conclusion, not because they have some kind of 'ancient Universe' ideology.

And the order of the planets in our Solar System is puzzling because we now know that there're distant planetary systems in which very large planets are very close to their stars. I think current thinking is that Jupiter had an enormous influence on the early Solar System & caused the rocky planets to swing in closer to the Sun.

A question for creationists: If a purposeful deity had created the Solar System as we now see it, why would they have allowed the asteroid belt to exist? We know that large chunks of rock from that region sometimes impact with the inner planets, including Earth. A sufficiently large asteroid could cause a major extinction event on our planet, including us!

Why would 'God' leave mankind on a planet in the equivalent of a Cosmic pinball machine?

You, and everyone else has sinned.

LhcAndrewB
PyriteDragon wrote:

Look. Here’s how bias works. I for a fact have dark hair, dark brown. If someone else tells me that I have red hair and I tell them, “no, I have dark brown hair,” I am calling out that person’s observation that is false. I am not being biased. If I say, “well, maybe I’ll consider the red hair idea, okay, perhaps my hair could be reddish brown,” I am taking their words and my words in equal consideration, but I am wrong.

But you and I were not at the creation of the world so, we can't know for sure. It requires faith

stephen_33
PyriteDragon wrote:

... that’s what the people on the creationist websites did, except my words were about lying and theirs were about spreading misinformation. They probably believe what they’re saying, while I didn’t believe what I was saying. It’s like the whole thing about people claiming that vaccinations cause autism. It simply isn’t true.

This is important if you believe in using language accurately - a lie must involve deliberate deception!

If a person, organisation or website makes a false statement while sincerely believing it to be true, that is not a lie, only a falsehood.

stephen_33
amrugg wrote:
 

Would a evolutionist say what they think is wrong? And if you got them, you would hear a lot of quotes. Look at them.

Yes! Science is a process of refining ideas about how natural systems work & many such ideas fall by the wayside. If an ambitious young biologist could show some fundamental flaw in evolution, once accepted, it would bring huge prestige to him or her.

In the face of considerable resistance Einstein completely overturned our understanding of Cosmology. That is how science works, showing the flaws or falsehood in inaccurate hypotheses & replacing them with better models.

By complete contrast, creationism starts with a set of claims written down in the late Bronze-Age & uses them to try to overturn the best evidence-based scientific conclusions we have regarding evolution. The way to challenge scientific understanding is with good evidence & sound reasoning, not with religious dogma.

stephen_33
amrugg wrote:
stephen_33 wrote:

Why would 'God' leave mankind on a planet in the equivalent of a Cosmic pinball machine?

You, and everyone else has sinned.

What does that have to do with the creation of the Solar System? And you may well feel mired in sin but leave me out of that!

Anyway, how does it even begin to address my comment? The greatest catastrophe we know of that resulted from an asteroid-like body striking the Earth was some 66 million years ago, long before our species came into existence. Was your 'God' punishing the dinosaurs because they'd 'sinned'?

stephen_33
LhcAndrewB wrote:

But you and I were not at the creation of the world so, we can't know for sure. It requires faith

If the scientific process is beyond your understanding, then acceptance of scientific conclusions requires trust but trust is quite different from faith. No branch of science should ever depend on faith in the way (I think) you're using the term.

varelse1

Question: what does the formation of the solar system, have to do with evolution?

How do these two things tie in together?

Elroch

It's part of a unified attack on established scientific fact based entirely on over-literal interpretation of Bronze Age texts, justified entirely by unscrupulous modern people claiming that allegories are definitely literal.

varelse1

How I read the title of this thread

"Could some auto mechanic please tell me how they think tiramisu is made??"

First thought from the mechanic is going to be "Why are you asking me??"

varelse1

Virtual tour of the universe: