I'd say design seems highly implausible.
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I'm talking broadly but I think new facts have emerged in areas such as cell biology since Hoyle wrote his opinion. It's reasonable to expect there have been.
Before life, there isn't biology so nothing in biology helps at the beginning of the process.
Before life, there isn't biology so nothing in biology helps at the beginning of the process.
Be that as it may it is a branch of Biology and under very active investigation.
That does what? The study of biology looks at the processes in place, not the chemical reactions, to glean how the processes began, how the information got there that directs the processes, how the information was written in the first place, stored, referred to for error checking and on and on to make processes in biology exist in the first place.
Blind luck against the odds, what is likely over what would have had to happen.
Assuming for the moment the presuppositions and math in that meme are correct, we still end up with the same problem again: proof of agency, is not necessarily disproof of Common Descent.
After all, some members visiting this topic might think the OP is trying to say look what a fool Fred Hoyle was for pontificating on a subject well outside his field of expertise.
It's all very well saying people will know what's meant but most things are open to interpretation.
When a business is looking at ways to become more efficient, they are looking for ways by the numbers that things will increase productivity by limiting the need for rework or marring the product by getting it wrong to its ruination. They want to decrease the number of times they have to do quality checks in their process flow because it is so fine-tuned that they don't need to be looked at it numerous times in their operations, making sure it's all done properly. That is all by the numbers measuring the success by numbers, not opinions.
Any process, if it is well managed, can produce good results; Hoyle is saying that to have blind workers without a template for what is good or a manager directing it all, they would have no idea what good looks like, would ever know they got wrong or right no matter how many times to play with the cube. So the biological result would forever be a mystery to them; even if they stumbled on getting the first step right, the second step could ruin what they had without ever moving forward.
That's where Hoyles point slips off the tracks.
If that cube begins to suddenly thrive and multiply once that magic combination is reached, then that blind worker would have ample reason to accept they reached the finish line, and move on to the next cube.
( Again, that is assuming blind workers were involved at all.)
Those who question purely naturalistic theories of abiogenesis tend to overlook the 'chronological context' of the emergence of life on Earth, within the lifetime of the Universe.
Remember that some 10,000,000,000 years passed before our solar system even began to form and even though life is believed to have emerged in the first few hundreds of millions of years of the Earth's existence, it still took another 1000,000,000 years for more complex life to form and another 2,000,000,000 years for our species to appear.
Whatever explanation you ascribe to our existence you must make it fit within that background. It's a process that looks entirely natural to me.
Blind luck against the odds, what is likely over what would have had to happen.
Assuming for the moment the presuppositions and math in that meme are correct, we still end up with the same problem again: proof of agency, is not necessarily disproof of Common Descent.
It shows mindlessness couldn't do it.
After all, some members visiting this topic might think the OP is trying to say look what a fool Fred Hoyle was for pontificating on a subject well outside his field of expertise.
It's all very well saying people will know what's meant, but most things are open to interpretation.
When a business is looking at ways to become more efficient, they are looking for ways by the numbers that things will increase productivity by limiting the need for rework or marring the product by getting it wrong to its ruination. They want to decrease the number of times they have to do quality checks in their process flow because it is so fine-tuned that they don't need to be looked at it numerous times in their operations, making sure it's all done properly. That is all by the numbers measuring the success by numbers, not opinions.
Any process, if it is well managed, can produce good results; Hoyle is saying that to have blind workers without a template for what is good or a manager directing it all, they would have no idea what good looks like, would ever know they got wrong or right no matter how many times to play with the cube. So the biological result would forever be a mystery to them; even if they stumbled on getting the first step right, the second step could ruin what they had without ever moving forward.
That's where Hoyles point slips off the tracks.
If that cube begins to suddenly thrive and multiply once that magic combination is reached, then that blind worker would have ample reason to accept they reached the finish line, and move on to the next cube.
( Again, that is assuming blind workers were involved at all.)
I have an issue with the thriving part, to thrive in a state that requires exactness in form and execution. Proper form and execution can be found in a good design; without those, the norms are runaway processes and degradation without proper boundaries or controls. These boundaries and controls are found in designed processes, not mindless ones. Overcoming huge odds is easily done without chance and random processes; the norm is entropy, not upgrading to the next level.
Those who question purely naturalistic theories of abiogenesis tend to overlook the 'chronological context' of the emergence of life on Earth, within the lifetime of the Universe.
Remember that some 10,000,000,000 years passed before our solar system even began to form and even though life is believed to have emerged in the first few hundreds of millions of years of the Earth's existence, it still took another 1000,000,000 years for more complex life to form and another 2,000,000,000 years for our species to appear.
Whatever explanation you ascribe to our existence you must make it fit within that background. It's a process that looks entirely natural to me.
Rather circular I have to accept it was done because I believe it was done over a long period of time.
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I have an issue with the thriving part, to thrive in a state that requires exactness in form and execution. Proper form and execution can be found in a good design; without those, the norms are runaway processes and degradation without proper boundaries or controls. These boundaries and controls are found in designed processes, not mindless ones. Overcoming huge odds is easily done without chance and random processes; the norm is entropy, not upgrading to the next level.
Possibly found in at least one mindless process.
Or maybe not.
Either way, Hoyle's "Blind Worker" metaphor becomes moot.
Rather circular I have to accept it was done because I believe it was done over a long period of time.
I was thinking of that saying 'if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...' but why do you say "circular"?
Remember too that the early Universe was composed predominantly of the simplest elements, Hydrogen and Helium and many hundreds of millions of years were required to create the heavier elements ~ from which life is made ~ in exploding stars.
There's nothing about that process that can't be explained in purely naturalistic terms. For those who insist that some conscious, divine entity was involved you first need to explain why they chose to bring about life that way.
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I have an issue with the thriving part, to thrive in a state that requires exactness in form and execution. Proper form and execution can be found in a good design; without those, the norms are runaway processes and degradation without proper boundaries or controls. These boundaries and controls are found in designed processes, not mindless ones. Overcoming huge odds is easily done without chance and random processes; the norm is entropy, not upgrading to the next level.
Possibly found in at least one mindless process.
Or maybe not.
Either way, Hoyle's "Blind Worker" metaphor becomes moot.
Not sure how you come to that conclusion. Is it simply because you don't like the idea? When you look at processes, the norm isn't self-improvement without specifics built into the process, and while that must be true, guards again degrading have to be in place too, out of scratch with nothing directing it all; exactly how does one overcome the odds of even beginning let alone getting to the point you suggest in thriving?
Rather circular I have to accept it was done because I believe it was done over a long period of time.
I was thinking of that saying 'if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...' but why do you say "circular"?
Remember too that the early Universe was composed predominantly of the simplest elements, Hydrogen and Helium and many hundreds of millions of years were required to create the heavier elements ~ from which life is made ~ in exploding stars.
There's nothing about that process that can't be explained in purely naturalistic terms. For those who insist that some conscious, divine entity was involved you first need to explain why they chose to bring about life that way.
I don't for a minute accept your theory, but putting that aside for a moment, you still haven't accounted for the origin of the hero's of your story... hydrogen and helium.
Rather circular I have to accept it was done because I believe it was done over a long period of time.
I was thinking of that saying 'if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...' but why do you say "circular"?
Remember too that the early Universe was composed predominantly of the simplest elements, Hydrogen and Helium and many hundreds of millions of years were required to create the heavier elements ~ from which life is made ~ in exploding stars.
There's nothing about that process that can't be explained in purely naturalistic terms. For those who insist that some conscious, divine entity was involved you first need to explain why they chose to bring about life that way.
Proof something was done a specific way is not by saying it was done over a long time, the specifics mechanisms of how and why need to be studied and there are no mechanisms that show time type of thing occurring that isn't directed by some agency. Informational direction isn't a product of random events over a long period of time that can be shown true, there is nothing viable as life in all of its functional complexity that suggests a mindless process could do this while a directed one removes all of the barriers chance and entropy bring to the table.
I don't for a minute accept your theory, but putting that aside for a moment, you still haven't accounted for the origin of the hero's of your story... hydrogen and helium.
I can no more account for the existence of Hydrogen and Helium than the devoutly faithful can account for the existence of what they describe as 'God'.
But we can be very confident that all the heavier elements, without which life is not possible, were created within stars over geological periods of time. That poses a problem for the faithful in answering the question of why a creator would do things that way - why not simply put in place all the conditions required for the emergence of life from the beginning?
I have seen no new discoveries which lead me to conclude that macroevolution is more believable now than 20 years ago. If anything, as we discover the complexity of even a single cell, design seems inevitable.