Deeper Understanding of 10x8 piece values

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Bihasa vs Gothic Vortex on February 21, 2023

riccuadra

A horsebihop is more value than  a bishop and a horse.

samuelebeckis

I think pieces value more-or-less is like this:

Pawn ... 1
Knight ... 2.5
Bishop ... 3
Rook ... 5
Archbishop ... 6.5
Chancellor ... 8.5
Queen ... 9

Edit: Is it correct?

riccuadra

The queen is equal than the Chancellor.

samuelebeckis

So maybe like this:

  • Pawn ... 1
  • Knight ... 3
  • Bishop ... 3
  • Rook ... 5
  • Archbishop ... 7
  • Chancellor ... 9
  • Queen ... 9
BISHOP_e3
  • Pawn ... 1
  • Knight ... 3
  • Bishop ... 3.5
  • Rook ... 5.5
  • Archbishop ... 7.5
  • Chancellor ... 8.5
  • Queen ... 10
samuelebeckis

I feel you are right Bishop_e3, except maybe for the Chancellor which deserves 1 point more imho.

It's somehow natural to assign +1 to any compounds: Archbishop = Knight + Bishop +1, Queen = Bishop + Rook +1, so also Chancellor = Knight + Rook +1. I mean, it's not a rule but it seems to work. Riccuadra even see Chancellor equal to a Queen, well 9.5 v 10 probably is fine, they are almost equal.

BISHOP_e3

I based my opinion not only on the way a piece moves --

I considered the expanded range of the piece (wider board).

I might consider raising the value of the Bishop to 4 

and the Chancellor to 9.

I don't think the wider board does anything to increase the value of pawns and knights.

At the start of a Gothic chess game I favor an Archbishop over a Chancellor almost always.

shogi

Question for you all: do you think pawns are worth more/stronger in 8x8 chess or in Trice's Chess?  (Regardless of your answer, 1.0 points in the former will not be the same as 1.0 in the latter.)

BISHOP_e3

I would say worth more and stronger because there are two additional pieces in Gothic Chess that a pawn can threaten/take.*

Pawns can also promote to 2 more additional pieces. (Is that correct?)

Gothic pawn value = 1.5

Food for thought.

*Obviously I have reconsidered my opinion about pawns since my last post happy

ArchbishopCheckmate

This question gets asked a lot. I don't have an answer. We should ask the players with the most experience what they use.

BISHOP_e3

Post #1 GIF adjusted for more time between moves.

Bihasa vs Gothic Vortex on February 21, 2023: 

ArchbishopCheckmate

Looks like white owned the center but didn't know what to do with it then Vortex tried a risky flank attack that worked out pretty good.

ArchbishopCheckmate
samuelebeckis wrote:

So maybe like this:

  • Pawn ... 1
  • Knight ... 3
  • Bishop ... 3
  • Rook ... 5
  • Archbishop ... 7
  • Chancellor ... 9
  • Queen ... 9

I don't think anyone knows the values. That is why the game is so enjoyable.