Dinosaurs may not be as ancient as we think

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The natural thing in this universe is decay; the unnatural thing is low entropy and high energy coming together to form functionally complex systems without an external intervention.

That was my hang-up the last two years that I identified as a creationist. It took half a bottle of beer poured into the sink by a biologist as we were cleaning his apartment to put my misunderstanding to rest. Of course, he explained the Second Law of Thermodynamics with some clarity while dumping the beer.

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There are two parts to this; it isn’t just the second law of thermodynamics. We can have entropy, but to have that coupled with the need to harness energy and make it useful simultaneously, we must direct material into a meaningful layout activity to channel energy! You think the material world would come together in such a way without falling apart isn't also in play too. In addition, the channeling must be done in such a way that it will direct highly complex work to be done with precision, equipped with error checking, ensuring that it is done correctly. Do you think that is the byproduct of an unquided process without goals or outside interference?

Seriously?!?!

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Probably. We're the poor monkeys pining for endless and rational order, not the universe.

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There is nothing that I perceive that compels belief in design. There is plenty to render design implausible.

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DrSpudnik wrote:

Probably. We're the poor monkeys pining for endless and rational order, not the universe.

You realize they did put monkeys in with a typewriter for a couple of months, and not a single word was produced. Even "a” and "I" were not produced because those require a space surrounding them.

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Ziryab wrote:

There is nothing that I perceive that compels belief in design. There is plenty to render design implausible.

By all means explain.

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TheJamesOfAllJameses wrote:
stephen_33 wrote:

Am I correct - that's from a Young Earth Creationist website yes?

That is the only place that provides research for creation science... Therefore we have to use resources that back our position... Because other websites have secular science and they wouldn't show anything else... Because it is "unscientific"

Alternatively, you could adopt a position consistent with objective research.

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No, you said nothing compels you to believe in design, and there is plenty to render design implausible. Are you going to go down the same road others here do, make a claim and fail to be able to back it up? I've been putting up the reasons for my beliefs and speak to them as well, can you?

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TruthMuse wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

There is nothing that I perceive that compels belief in design. There is plenty to render design implausible.

By all means explain.

But I bet they looked cute typing like they knew what they were doing.

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Maybe they were speaking in tongues? We just need to learn what language they were trying for.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/living-fossil-fish-species-once-083000492.html

Apparently it pre-dates dinosaurs....

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Coelacanths are interesting, sometimes called a "living fossil."

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/scientists-edge-closer-solving-mystery-104412036.html

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Why did they move from Asia? Were they in some kind of scandal?

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DrSpudnik wrote:

Why did they move from Asia? Were they in some kind of scandal?

They were probably following the herbivore herds. Going where the food source is going.

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https://www.sciencenews.org/article/archaeopteryx-fossil-bird-flight 

An exceptionally preserved specimen of the ancient bird Archaeopteryx offers the most detailed window yet into the evolution of flight, researchers report online May 14 in Nature.

The remarkable preservation of the specimen — the 14th Archaeopteryxever unearthed — means that researchers can study aspects of the ancient bird that were previously difficult to discern, from the anatomy of its skull to the arrangement of its feathers to the soft tissues on its hands and feet.

“This is the best Archaeopteryx fossil ever found, of what’s arguably the most important fossil taxon of all time,” says Jingmai O’Connor, a vertebrate paleontologist at the Field Museum in Chicago, home to the impressive specimen.

This new specimen, along with the 13 previously found, highlights “the vast amount of evolutionary change that took place between animals like Archaeopteryx in the Jurassic [Period] and the origin of modern birds tens of millions of years later in the Cretaceous [Period],” says Daniel Field, a vertebrate paleontologist at the University of Cambridge who was not involved in the new study.

Archaeopteryx lived around 150 million years ago. And even 164 years after the discovery of Archaeopteryx, no other feathered dinosaur discovery has been able to knock it off its perch as first bird, O’Connor says.

Somewhere along the line, the lineage of feathered landbound dinosaurs began to evolve features that allowed them to fly, branching off into the avian side of the family tree. When exactly this transition occurred is one of the great mysteries of paleontology. But Archaeopteryx is widely considered the oldest known actual bird, based largely on aspects of its feathers and skeleton that suggest it was able to take to the skies, O’Connor says. By contrast, its close relative, the feathered dinosaur Anchiornus, just misses that cutoff.