ECL RULES 2017

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Marignon wrote:

There is a huge question concerning double matches in the current season. 

For example: https://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=609362

Will Athens ask to play another match or accept the result?

Exactly, teams that are losing in ongoing matches will generally not want to count it as double. That is why we need rule that adriano81 have proposed.

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adriano81 wrote:

Stefan, considering this one

The minimum number of players allowed per game in order to be valid:

Division 1: 12 players

Division 2: 10 players

Division 3:   6 players for the preliminary rounds of Phase 1 and  8 players in case of Phase 2.

I doubt we can start the match with less boards, cause if we set 10 as a minimum (for example in Div 2) we cannot start with 7, 8 etc players

How we should deal with this?

Well it is questionable if TD are supported by some tool for checking number of registered players before match starts. Dale00007 is doing great job in Chess960 WCL tourney, regarding this. When I saw this included in rules (In case a match starts with less players for a team, the opponent team starts the match with extra winning points for the missing games (ex. if 2 players are missing from team A, team B starts with +4points)) I imagined that the same thing is predicted for ECL, and then everything will make sense.

Of course if you set 10 as minimum, you can not start with 7 or 8, and that is why 5 should be set as minimum, BUT only if team which have registered 10 players will get +2 points for every missing player from the other side!

I explained why 5 is much better than 1, which is currently used by Dale00007.

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Moscow +3 - Athens +1 for both tournaments Cool

As for the 25%, this is the 104rth time that this question raise from the same people. I have already responded 104 times. In case there will be a 105th time I will post the same answer, or maybe no answer at all.

"if two teams plays in the same division for both WCL and ECL they should play double match except those cases when both teams agreed to play separate matches"

There is a point in the above suggestion. It can be added to the rules. Is there any other opinion on that?

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.... or someone does not like a rule, does not want to visit the correspondant forum of the last year discussion, does not like that 40% of the cities opted for 50% of foreign flag and furthermore try to be as strenuous as possible.

105 and counting ....

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"if two teams plays in the same division for both WCL and ECL they should play double match except those cases when both teams agreed to play separate matches"

There is a point in the above suggestion. It can be added to the rules. Is there any other opinion on that?

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The last date to start a match - August 31st - is far too early when the cut off is in December.

 

Our matches for this will be clashing with the WCL Phase 2 and potentially we will have 8 matches starting within 6 weeks.

Please can you have pity on our teams and amend this punishing schedule.

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rikldn wrote:

The last date to start a match - August 31st - is far too early when the cut off is in December.

 

Our matches for this will be clashing with the WCL Phase 2 and potentially we will have 8 matches starting within 6 weeks.

Please can you have pity on our teams and amend this punishing schedule.

Anastasakis should make a crosstable and a match schedule with results of all matches already played in WCL2016 and likely to be played at stage 2 and then we'll see how many matches are added.

For example, Moscow has already played vs Zagreb, Athens, Yerevan and Berlin in WCL 2016 and is sure to play vs St. Petersburg at stage 2

That means we'll have only 6 extra matches.

Then, I suggest reducing the nb of participants in Division 1 to 10 teams (instead of 12). Even big nation teams in EL play only 9 rounds.

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"if two teams plays in the same division for both WCL and ECL they should play double match except those cases when both teams agreed to play separate matches"

There is a point in the above suggestion. If there is no other suggestion, I will add the above to the rules on March 1.

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How about all other suggestions - posts 6, 7, 10, 12, 30 - they all also need to be added.

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Anastasakis wrote:
"if two teams plays in the same division for both WCL and ECL they should play double match except those cases when both teams agreed to play separate matches"

There is a point in the above suggestion. If there is no other suggestion, I will add the above to the rules on March 1.

@Anastasakis does this mean that if we already played match with same team in WCL 2016 upon one team wish we can count it for ECL 2016 as well no matter if second team agrees? Please reconfirm

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Yes, exactly the match will count for both tournaments. Unless both teams accept to replay a new match. The rule, if no other suggestion, will be published on March 1.

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Marignon wrote:

How about all other suggestions - posts 6, 7, 10, 12, 30 - they all also need to be added.

I want to know this, too. If those suggestions are not good for you, please then explain why.

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All suggestions are intresting and need to be discussed further. The improvements for the next season can be applied for both tournaments (WCL, ECL). Since the wcl2016 has already started and almost finished Phase 1, any further improvement will be actual from next season. To organize better the discussion and leave the time for more admins to partipate I suggest to create a separate forum for that. The discussion is welcome and will begin just after Round 1.

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It is important to make rule changes before ECL starts to apply them in this ECL season already. 

 

Further question:

By what method did you determine the list of participants and their distribution into divisions?

If this is by power, please, publish the list of all teams and their power ASAP

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Can World Cities Open Swiss (WCOS) matches also count towards ECL matches?

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Anastasakis wrote:

.... or someone does not like a rule, does not want to visit the correspondant forum of the last year discussion, does not like that 40% of the cities opted for 50% of foreign flag and furthermore try to be as strenuous as possible.

105 and counting ....

People keep asking because this is not what was voted on, you would not let votes be moved so that a final decision could be agreed on and the rule you have made up was not one of the 4 options discussed and voted on.

 

If you cannot see that your arbitrary action pleases no-one then you will continue to get the question

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The distribution in the ECL2016 was based on the ranking of the teams in WCL2015 tournament.