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adriano81 wrote:

I think both Teams should have an agreement if they want to count One game for both leagues. And of course it seems unfair if one Team want to play two separate games and other want to play just one.... Especially if this one game have started when calendar for both Leagues been declared, it's seems ridiculous to name it just World League game and then declare this game for both Leagues with no agreement... some kind of misinterpretation happens here (((

The background to the current rules are that games that was started were counted both in WL and EL. So the teams could start an EL-game and that was counted as a WL-game and vice versa. No negotiations were needed between the teams, but they were allowed to - as agreed - to setup separate matches that replaced. In WL2012 the WL removed this transparent opportunity, but we keept the rule and continued count WL-games in EL.

The game names itself doesn't matter so much in EL. But the best - of course - is to apply proper names, since that makes it easier to collect games, and make us avoid missunderstandings etc. No penalties to teams that appying wrong game names.

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johanpalmaer wrote:
adriano81 wrote:

I think both Teams should have an agreement if they want to count One game for both leagues. And of course it seems unfair if one Team want to play two separate games and other want to play just one.... Especially if this one game have started when calendar for both Leagues been declared, it's seems ridiculous to name it just World League game and then declare this game for both Leagues with no agreement... some kind of misinterpretation happens here (((

The background to the current rules are that games that was started were counted both in WL and EL. So the teams could start an EL-game and that was counted as a WL-game and vice versa. No negotiations were needed between the teams, but they were allowed to - as agreed - to setup separate matches that replaced. In WL2012 the WL removed this transparent opportunity, but we keept the rule and continued count WL-games in EL.

The game names itself doesn't matter so much in EL. But the best - of course - is to apply proper names, since that makes it easier to collect games, and make us avoid missunderstandings etc. No penalties to teams that appying wrong game names.

Johan, the problem is that now we have situation where answer should be YES or NO... Team A doesn't want to count WL game for EL game and want to play separate game, but instead Team B doesn't want to play second game within EL tournament, but they didn't agree on this with Team A... Undecided

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It's not any problem from a rules perspective.
The rules gives proper direction.

The WL-game will be counted.
If a team doesn't want to agree upon start a separate game, they aren't forced to do that.

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silver_light wrote:

If a team does not want to play it should be penalized because of failure to appear.

Shouldn't it?

Don't seem applicable in this very case, since they already is playing a game that will be counted as a EL-game.

But otherwise, teams that refuse to play will get warnings, and more warnings could lead to disqualification. This seem to be applicable for some teams in Division 5 very soon.

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Current results and standings updated for Division 1:
http://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/el2013---division-1-scoreboard-and-standings

Team Russia leading, followed by Team Armenia and Team England.

Next reminder about to start unstarted games will soon be published.

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England latest scores:

 

R2 versus Russia

http://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=228346

Russia winning 399 to England 322

 

R5 versus Poland

http://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=266938

England winning 90.5 to 44.5 so far

 

R6 versus Spain

http://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=254836

108 to 34 for Spain

 

R7 versus Germany

http://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=272636

England 97.5 to 64.5 for Germany

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Current results and standings as of 2013-06-25 updated due to corrections:
http://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/el2013---division-1-scoreboard-and-standings

Scores were missing for finished games. Now corrected.

Team Russia leading closely followed by Team England and Team Armenia.

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@Johan, Round 9, Team Armenia - Team Poland

there are only 161 finished games at this match, how the result can be 101,5-118,5 ?

http://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=262278

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888har888 wrote:
@Johan, Round 9, Team Armenia - Team Poland

there are only 161 finished games at this match, how the result can be 101,5-118,5 ?

http://www.chess.com/groups/team_match?id=262278

All unfinished games in the match are counted as tied till they are finished.

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 Team Germany vs  Team Ukraine

WL2013 R9: Germany vs Ukraine

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I sent my challenge Team Germany 4 weeks ago. CM ilmago answer me this: "why did you send the challenge? We have already a match this season running, of course" FrownUndecided

WL2013 R1: Team Russia vs Team Germany

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Yes, of course there is already the WL R1 match Russia vs Germany, which counts automatically for the EL.

Russia's silent June EL challenge (without any preceding messages about asking whether there is agreement to play an extra EL match) and the ":-(" smiley above look like a compliment and a sign that Russia thinks highly of our performance in that WL R1 match, thanks.

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IvanovII wrote:

I sent my challenge Team Germany 4 weeks ago. CM ilmago answer me this: "why did you send the challenge? We have already a match this season running, of course" 

WL2013 R1: Team Russia vs Team Germany

Noted, and inserted into my tables for next update.

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Also now noted into tables for next update. Thanks.

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Current results and standings for Division 1 updated:
http://www.chess.com/groups/forumview/el2013---division-1-scoreboard-and-standings

Team Russia leading, closely followed by Team Armenia and Team England.
All three teams have the same scores, but tie-breaks differs.
Several teams behind are still able get in touch. It will be an interesting autumn.

Several matches now finished in the early rounds.

Next round (#10) will soon be published.

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 Team Ukraine vs  Team England

WL2013 R8 / EL2013 R4: Team Ukraine vs Team England

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Marko, that R4 match is being started, the relevant WL encounter is now in September.

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Div 1, EL2013 R4 Germany - Romania

 

Please do not forget to include all the rest of our already existing match links.

 
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@MarkoPop84 are you admin here? Laughing

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The match against Romania is now in my tables. The rest were already there.