Yes, Stephen.
It is a shame, as there is nothing in Evolution, which asks a person to abandon their religious beliefs, either,
Unfortunately, the media have turned Evolution vs Creationism into a False Dilemma. (Conveniently forgetting to mention that there is no reason a person cannot believe in both.)
"there is nothing in Evolution, which asks a person to abandon their religious beliefs"
Well no but there're many aspects of evolution that directly contradict (or seem to) a literal reading of scripture (mostly Genesis).
You see, my pastor never let us lake Genesis too literally when I was a teenager.
The pre-Abraham part, anyway.
I was actually talking to Stephen, but OK. Creationists have given sufficient evidence against some if not all those points. Scopes Monkey Trial...
Sorry, but the beginning of Genesis is too literal to not take it literally, and also anything that contradicts the Bible is false. And a pastor not taking Genesis literally means nothing to me, because you can take some parts of the Bible completely out of context and create a belief system from it.
Yes, Stephen.
It is a shame, as there is nothing in Evolution, which asks a person to abandon their religious beliefs, either,
Unfortunately, the media have turned Evolution vs Creationism into a False Dilemma. (Conveniently forgetting to mention that there is no reason a person cannot believe in both.)
Evolution has death before sin, and also that man evolved from apes, meaning that he is not unique from animals even though man is. So, it would cause me to believe in one or the other.
I strongly believe that the principle of natural selection has applications outside of biological evolution.
For example, systems of belief that are not adequate or 'fit' for the understanding of our natural Universe are doomed to become extinct.
Natural selection does happen, but it is by design.
Sorry, but the beginning of Genesis is too literal to not take it literally, yes, and a literal understanding and reading of the ancient biblical Hebrew leads to the inescapable conclusion that Genesis presents an Ancient Near East cosmology with a unique Jewish understanding and that as such trying to make it concordant with modern science is like trying to make apples and oranges be the same thing. also anything that contradicts the Bible is false. Even for sake of argument if that's true it is still revelation, which is fundamentally different from science and if one wants to support a biblical view with science then one must still do so with science and not by appeals to revelation, otherwise it defeats the whole purpose of creationist claims that their views are supported by science And a pastor not taking Genesis literally means nothing to me, because you can take some parts of the Bible completely out of context and create a belief system from it. Yes, which ironically is what you are doing here by trying to read modern ideas and concepts back into the ancient Hebrew text of Genesis where they don't belong (just like when you try to force "dinosaurs" into the book of Job)
Natural selection does happen, but it is by design.
that doesn't even make sense
Natural selection does happen, but it is by design.
that doesn't even make sense
I did try to warn you about the implacable views of some of the Young-Earthers here!
Yes, Stephen.
It is a shame, as there is nothing in Evolution, which asks a person to abandon their religious beliefs, either,
Unfortunately, the media have turned Evolution vs Creationism into a False Dilemma. (Conveniently forgetting to mention that there is no reason a person cannot believe in both.)
That only depends on how you define your terms.
What is sufficient evidence for you?
When Darwin first published his book On the Origin of Species in 1859, the fossil record was very much incomplete. And none of it accurately dated.
But since that time, we have filled in the Fossil record much more completely and accurately. Giving us a much clearer picture of what existed in the past.
And what have we discovered?
Single-celled organisms predate multi-celled organisms.
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A word of caution regarding Jay & other strict Bible literalists - their adherence to scripture can't practically be challenged because there's no argument from logic you can make that will shake their trust in dogma.
Jay admitted to me in another club that he'd reject all logic & reason in preference to abandoning his belief in scripture. If there's a way of making progress from there, I don't know what it is.
An example of this is when I questioned how it's possible that the concepts of day & night existed before the Sun was created & this was his reply...
"God created day and night before the sun. Don't ask me how, or why, it is just how it is. "