Evolution vs. creationism in US public schools

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PyriteDragon

This forum thread is meant to show everyone here what the US law says about teaching creationism and evolution side by side in public schools. The state of Louisiana enacted a law that required public school teachers to teach evolution and creationism side by side. The US Supreme Court in the Edwards v. Aguillard case declared the Louisiana law unconstitutional due to the establishment clause because the law wasn’t secular, as was interpreted from the establishment clause in the US constitution.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Edwards-v-Aguilard

 

LHCSaraB

I'm all for that!

PyriteDragon

You’re all for what?

LHCSaraB

Teaching creationism in schools

PyriteDragon

Religiously affiliated private schools or all schools?

LHCSaraB

Well, both. Teaching them (creationism and evolution) side by side is valuable so people can evaluate both sides before taking their stance. Give than the facts of both sides and let them decide.

PyriteDragon

@LHCSaraB I see what you mean, but you gotta realize that when public schools teach creationism as an alternative to evolution, the school is pressuring the public with a religious doctrine from government funds, and the US constitution says that the government cannot support the establishment of a religion.

LHCSaraB

Yes, I do not suggest it in substitution, but alongside with. Also, does not evolution pressure a religion?

PyriteDragon

I’m well aware that you want the two to be taught alongside. Evolution does not pressure a religion, because it is completely secular and scientific.

LHCSaraB

That's an interesting viewpoint

PyriteDragon

Thanks happy.png

LHCSaraB

I disagree, but okay. ☺

TheJamesOfAllJameses
PyriteDragon wrote:

@LHCSaraB I see what you mean, but you gotta realize that when public schools teach creationism as an alternative to evolution, the school is pressuring the public with a religious doctrine from government funds, and the US constitution says that the government cannot support the establishment of a religion.

Well, you know, it is the other side of the arguement. They should teach both. It gives an opportunity to choose between the two sides.

PyriteDragon

But creationism is religious, and these are public schools, funded by taxpayers, and are government organizations. The crux of the issue is about certain religious establishments being indoctrinated into government organizations. The two sides are unequal. One is religious, and another is scientific. Science is a secular subject. Creationism is religious. Any part of the US government is supposed to be secular, and is not supposed to support any particular religion, as outlined in the establishment clause of the first amendment, and as was upheld by the Supreme Court case that I mentioned in the original post.

stephen_33
LHCSaraB wrote:

Teaching creationism in schools

But the question is did you attend one? I'm guessing you were home-schooled, yes?

stephen_33
LHCSaraB wrote:

Well, both. Teaching them (creationism and evolution) side by side is valuable so people can evaluate both sides before taking their stance. Give than the facts of both sides and let them decide.

I think it's best to nail this here on the first page & maybe we can make some progress?

Evolution is a thoroughly researched & evidence-based theory in Biology, a branch of science. It's described as a scientific theory because it's underpinned by a large body of evidence & makes predictions.

It has survived every attempt to debunk it. This is because it explains the diversity of living forms on Earth in a way that no other theory does.

Creationism by contrast is dogma, a set of assertions that are made without supporting evidence & it fails to predict anything.

There is no equivalence between evolution & creationism.

stephen_33
JayHunterBrickwood wrote:
PyriteDragon wrote:

@LHCSaraB I see what you mean, but you gotta realize that when public schools teach creationism as an alternative to evolution, the school is pressuring the public with a religious doctrine from government funds, and the US constitution says that the government cannot support the establishment of a religion.

Well, you know, it is the other side of the arguement. They should teach both. It gives an opportunity to choose between the two sides.

Creationism can be included in Bible classes or religious education, where it belongs.

Destroyer942

Sorry, but as a Christian I have to agree that creationism should be taught in Christian private schools and not in public schools. Just as we want to have religious freedom to practice Christianity in peace, we shouldn't force people who are not Christians to learn about it.

Destroyer942

But I will admit I do believe in evolution though.

PetecantbeatmeSLFL

I think you should be able to learn all the popular theories in school and pick what you will believe.

We do not want a bounch of obedient little brainwashed comrades that only learned government endorced information. They both should be tought