Evolution vs. creationism in US public schools

But according to evolution (simply) the formula for the universe was: nothing+nothing= Two elements+time=92 elements+time=an orderly universe.  Am I mistaken?

Yeah. That's pretty much it.

And how is that more realistic than the idea of a God?

It's "scientific"

*doubtfully and slowly* uh huh

If you broadly support favouring the simpler explanation over the considerably more complex one, can any 'God' believer explain how invoking 'God' makes anything simpler?

Please note that by 'simpler' I mean having less complexity, not being easier or more lazy, involving less thinking!

So I am or am not mistaken?

I haven't heard proof of life from no life. I can give proof though.

While the process of abiogenesis is still mostly mysterious, we do know pretty well what components are required. But the following point bears on whether any divine intervention was involved - once the first 'proto-life' formed on Earth, it remained largely unchanged (at least in its single-celled form) for 1000,000,000 years.

Can any believer explain to themselves, if no one else, what possible divine plan was being followed in allowing what was little more than cellular soup to float around for that period of time?

Everything that followed the emergence of the first simple life looks exactly as a naturalistic process should look, not as we'd expect the purposeful plan of some deity to look. That's simply what careful examination reveals.

It was a yes or no question

Haha, and they think there scientists 

You want yes or no? O/k..

Can we be utterly certain of anything that isn't precisely defined in the way certain mathematical principles are defined - no!

Can we be confident to a very high degree that our understanding of all manner of natural systems is accurate & the predictions we make reliable - yes!

LOLOL, I know, but it is true, is it not?

I believe so sara

Well... *thinks about how to respond but still be kind*

If you had any understanding of the subject at all, you'd realise that (biological) Evolution had nothing to do with the formation of more complex elements from simpler ones!

We know that nuclear fusion in stars like the Sun creates heavier elements from Hydrogen & Helium. That's simply a fact.

And remember guys, this is about public schools, funded by taxpayers, and as an alternative to science and as the same weight as science (rather than a religion class, say as an elective). The constitution forbids public, government funded, institutions from promoting one particular religion. It would be okay if the school has an elective about religions, but it cannot be part of the curriculum unless all major religion creation stories are taught. I’m sure plenty of public schools have legally taught creationism in schools, just either in a world religions class or in a student-run group. And also not in science classrooms. Creationism needs to be taught independent of evolution, not as an alternative.

Very, very much mistaken.

Evolution deals with the development and diversification of the biosphere on Earth.

Abiogenesis deals with how the first sark of life began, on Earth.

Big Bang deals with the expansion of the Universe, since it first sprang into existence 13.8 billion years ago.

I have no idea what you were typing above. But it nothing to do with anything I just listed.

It's a familiar pattern of those, saturated in a particular religious orthodoxy, trying to overthrow a well established theory, the fundamentals of which they don't begin to grasp.

It reminds me closely of the way very conservative types campaigned to ban certain books in the UK in the 1950's & 60's - Lady Chatterly's Lover, Ulysses etc..

When pressed, these people would often admit they hadn't even bothered to read the book in question but would quickly add, 'I don't need to read it to know it's unsuitable'. In fact you do need to read & understand a work before you can make a proper judgment.

Such people have mostly vanished now, probably because of the ridicule that was heaped on them.

No, that is what "science" teaches. "Science" says that there was maybe a universe before our universe was here, then for some reason it condensed to the size of a single period, then the big bang, then the planets and stars and galaxies formed(and BTW everything is orbiting a circuit every now and then around something, by chance?) and then zoom in on earth and there is life from no life.