Evolution vs. creationism in US public schools

Where have you heard such a thing, a creationist website? At present there're a number of hypotheses regarding the emergence of our Universe but nothing more.

As for "everything is orbiting a circuit every now and then around something, by chance?", the force of gravity causes galaxies & star systems to form.

I said maybe because I have heard it out of NatGeo's mouth. And Nature, and Nova as well. It is a hypothesis that is on the table.

I take a keen interest in such subjects as well but I've never heard a Cosmologist or theoretical physicist suggest that a 'Universe' as such preceded this one. One proposal has it that a random fluctuation in a quantum vacuum caused our Universe to emerge.

Another, that 'membranes' collided & generated the starting conditions for the Universe. Very theoretical & quite above my head, in their detail at least.

Very unbelievable in my opinion...

So is Quantum Mechanics but our understanding of that, in terms of predicting outcomes (who actually understands quantum effects themselves?), enables us to create the devices you & I are communicating with 

Yeah. It isn't really the same. 

From yet another fringe-right media source, no doubt.

They cannot refute Evolution as it stands. So instead they build some silly Strawman argument about the Big Bang, then replace "Big Bang" with "Evolution," (as if they were somehow the same thing) then strut around like a peacock, claiming victory.

If Evolution is really so fallible, why do it's opponents keep humiliating themselves this way?

No, not identical but I was challenging your implied assertion that because something is "Very unbelievable in my opinion", then it's most unlikely to be the fact of the matter.

We know as a matter of fact that aspects of our Universe at the smallest dimensions are strange beyond our comprehension. Would you agree with that?

Your arrogance is astounding.

Witness now as the troll, realizing he is out of his depth, seeks safety in tossing out meaningless ad-hominem attacks.

I'm not a troll, and I'm not out of my comfort zone either. I call it like it is.

The troll is you. You are extremely arrogant and he called you on it. That does not make him a troll

Does anyone have anything relevant to contribute to the actual subject? If this is going to degenerate into the usual slanging-match, I'll be leaving!

This thread had a good run

Let's get back on subject

You were saying that I got all my info from some "far right media" and I don't. You also think that your position is infallible. I said you were arrogant, which will not help in a debate.

" "Science" says that there was maybe a universe before our universe was here"

You may need to make some allowance because whenever a YEC or Bible literalist posts something like 'science says', we science types start to prickle!

But do you have a source for that claim? I did ask before where you'd heard that.

It was on some documentary. I don't exactly remember.

O/k. Well I think we can say that various science-based theorists speculate about possible precursors to our Universe, all of them somewhat bizarre in their own ways.

Strictly speaking, because we can neither observe nor measure that from which our Universe might have emerged, it's outside of the scope of science.

So you mean, it is possible for there to be a God that created everything? Or is that outside the scope of science?