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Could anyone post a diagram of Bob Fischer's famous game in which he played his defense in KGA ?

Thanks !

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he never did play this defence against anyone.

He did play 3. ... g5 against it though and lost miserably. Thanks to Boris Spassky.

he also played the KG around 8 times. favoring 3. Bc4 over Nf3

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I came to that conclusion last night after having searched the net for hours... Bobby wrote The Bust out of spite but never actually used the line himself, something quite self-defeating knowing how he did not entirely renounce playing the KG after his defeat. Although really, must one renounce perfecting a technique that once failed ? I don't think he ever declared himself againt the opening, even if his defence did a lot of damage to the history of KGA. I know he later avoided Nf3, but I didn't know he had lost again, this time as white, against Spassky playing the Fischer...??, I never heard any mention of that, could you post a diagram or give me a link to that game ? How can he play 3...g5 , I don't understand.

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I never knew Fischer lost to spassky while he plalyed the KG ineteresting indeed.

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It was a game in Mar de Plata Arg. in 1960. He left the table crying, he was 17 I believe, and then wrote his Bust of the King's Gambit following that defeat. Are you sure he played again against Spassky ?? and Spassky played the Fischer defence ? Can you post the whole game ?

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It's really interesting. I played KG against CT A LOT of times, but it never used fischers defence on me. I think it was a myth that prevent people from using it ," Loses by force" - " my god, he is rated much higher than me, I must lose now. Why did I choose KG???"

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It's a free game... :)

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     The Mar del Plata Chess Tournament of 1960 started just 3 weeks after Bobby Fischer's 17th birthday.   Fischer, already a three-time U.S. Champion had dropped out of high school the year before to devote himself to chess. Ironically enough, Fischer shared first place in that strong tournament with Boris Spassky. Fischer's only loss was to Spassky. Spassky needed to win against Fischer to share first with him. Fischer only needed a draw to win the tournament. 
     Fischer's loss was to the King's Gambit, a rare opening in high level tournaments even back then.  Fischer accepted the gambit and played the classical defense: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5.
     Spassky played the Kieseritsky Gambit:  4. h4 g4 5. Ne5 and eked out a win.



 

     Fischer was highly perturbed with his own play and whether through conviction or wounded pride set out to show the King's Gambit as a win for Black.  In the Summer of 1961, the "American Chess Quarterly," a periodical edited by Larry Evans, published in its inaugural issue an article by Fischer, probably the most famous one produced by that periodical, called "A Bust to the King's Gambit."


     The article proposes that  1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 d6 in the KGA is not just Black's best chance, but the road to victory. And ever since, the thematic move, 3...d6, in the KGA has been referred to as Fischer's Defense.

     I've seen many copies of Fischer's article, including the original and even published a copy myself, but it had all been in descriptive notation. I took pains to transcribe the entire annotation into a pgn (with all variation in the notes in algebraic notation) :



A BUST TO THE KING'S GAMBIT
by U.S. Champion Bobby Fischer
International Grandmaster

 

     The King's Gambit has lost popularity, but not sympathy. Analysts treat it with kid gloves and seem reluctant to demonstrate an outright refuatation. "The Chessplayers Manual" by Gossip and Lipschutz, published in 1874,
devotes 237 pages to this gambit without arriving at a conclusion. To this day the opening has been analyzed romantically - not scientifically. Moderns seem to share the same unconsciousattitude that caused the old-timers to curse stubborn Steinitz:

"He took the beauty out of chess."

     To the public, the player of the King's Gambit exhibits courage and derring-do. The gambit has been making a comeback with the younger Soviet masters, notably Spassky (who defeated Bronstein, Averbach and myself with it). His victories rarely reflected the merits of the opening since his opponents went wrong in the mid-game. It is often the case, also, as with Santasiere and Bronstein, that the King's Gambit is played with a view to a favorable endgame.

     Spassky told me himself the gambit doesn't give White much, but he plays it because neither does the Ruy Lopez nor the Giuoco Piano.

     The refuatation of any gambit begins with accepting it. In my opinion the King's Gambit is busted. It loses by force.



Avatar of Ben_Dubuque

I must have interprited your comment wrong sorry. anyway interestingly enough Fischer later used the KG to anniahlate the editor of American Chess Quarterly, Larry Evan's, in the 1963 US championship where Fischer went 11-0

Avatar of dahal32

Yep, poor ol' Bobby gave up a perfectly good bishop!

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I don't know that the Fischer Defense is an acutal bust, but Fischer's comments and lines in the annotation are very poignant and, if nothing else, show the complexity of even an open game.

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Thanks again batgirl, that took a lot of time to transcribe I'm sure, very generous of you.

I repeat my opening question that was forgotten after a few misunderstandings : has Bobby Fischer ever played his own busting lines against someone ? If yes, can someone post the diagram or give me a link so I can do it ?

The Fischer defense became immensely popular after the article was published, but did he play it himself, I don't know. Also, I know he played the KGA as white again after his loss, 3 times in official championships I think, but never again the 3.Nf3. That was the way he chose to keep on playing KGA without contradicting himself... I like him.

And another game I would like to see is the Mar del Plata complete game in which Fischer lost... I don't know why I can't find it, on sites like 365chessgames and similar.

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I found the Mar del Plata game, will post it when I have a minute. Only one question left, a Fischer Defense played by Fischer...

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Oops.. KGA is really intimidating me..

(When I'm White)

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The Mar del Plata loss is in my posting above.  I've never seen any instance in which Fisher played the Fischer Defense. Of couse, one reason might be that almost no one had the nerve to initiate the KG against Fischer.

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batgirl wrote:

The Mar del Plata loss is in my posting above.  I've never seen any instance in which Fisher played the Fischer Defense. Of couse, one reason might be that almost no one had the nerve to initiate the KG against Fischer.

Righty ho!

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Of course, it's right there !! 

That's right, he did play it as white after that, but never as black...

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thanks batgirl for taking the pain

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You're welcome, cute baby.

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I think fischer defence is quite weak for black. If white plays 4 Bc4 black should play h6 to protect the f7 pawn by preventing the knight from going to e5 square or g5 square.

Instead black can play 3.... f6 and then concentrate on development. By playing this move black controls e5 and g5 square in one move