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winquit

Nov 1, 2016

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#21

MGleason

Nov 2, 2016

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#22

Wow.

Martin0

Nov 2, 2016

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#23

Currently when you're in live chess and see the variants you can hover over a question mark next to the variant and the text "Team up with another player and you can drop the pieces they capture." comes up. You can not click the question mark for more information, so I think the instinct for many would be to just try the variant and see what happens. I don't think learning by doing is necessarily a bad thing, but it might be frustrating to get paired with a partner that does not know the rules.

cwfrank

Nov 2, 2016

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#24

Martin0 wrote:

... it might be frustrating to get paired with a partner that does not know the rules.

Thus the point of the thread ... makes for good quotes like @winquit points out.

I hesitated to say anything, but @mk43v3r fails to realize that there are 2 bishops in standard chess, too... just not on the same color. (Probably referencing 2 bishops of the same color.)

I agree: "Try before you buy"

Sometimes you get stuck with a novice or n00b, thus other threads (stream of consciousness)... "Ethical Chess (Bughouse Topic)," and "Kings & Elders."

The latter, "Kings & Elders" is abstract in it's intent. The former, "Ethical..." is somewhat more direct.

In summary: Such is life. If even online, you've gotta help bring people along... or skewer them in good humor (posting funny conversations that happen in team sports, among politics and other conversations worthy of being skewered and kebob'ed).

MGleason

Nov 5, 2016

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#25

Yeah, if we go with the usual bughouse assumption of P = 1, B = N = R = 2, Q = 4-5, trading a queen for a couple minor pieces or a minor piece and a pawn isn't all that big of a sacrifice. If that's what it takes to shut down your opponent's attack or to blast their king open, it's certainly worth it.

Martin0

Nov 5, 2016

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#26

I almost want to evaluate the pieces P=0.5, B/N/R = 1, Q = 2 to emphasize that loosing material is not such a big deal in bughouse compared to orthodox chess. Then giving up a queen for a piece in order to attack or defend better can be compared to sacrificing a pawn in chess and most people don't resign in chess just because they lose a pawn or two (especially in bullet/blitz).

Of course it is the relative value of the pieces in bughouse that counts and should have nothing related to chess at all, so evaluating with half points would be a bit silly.

MGleason

Nov 6, 2016

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#27

The problem with downplaying material too much is that losing material influences both boards. But even so, it's not as critical as in normal chess.

Playing OTB, we sometimes balance unbalanced teams by taking a rook off one board and giving it to the opposing partner before the start of the game. It's essentially a two-rook advantage - except that the rooks are often slow to get into the game anyway, so it may really be little more than a one-rook advantage.

cwfrank

Nov 6, 2016

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#28

MGleason wrote:

Playing OTB, we sometimes balance unbalanced teams by taking a rook off one board and giving it to the opposing partner before the start of the game. It's essentially a two-rook advantage - except that the rooks are often slow to get into the game anyway, so it may really be little more than a one-rook advantage.

This turned into an interesting discussion.

My introduction to Bughouse (OTB) didn't have anything like this. And, thought I've always looked down on historical "odds" games (taking a piece off), I wonder if this wouldn't have been a beneficial introduction to Bughouse (and/or Crazyhouse).

An interesting thought. Kudos @MGleason.

-Chip.

MGleason

Nov 6, 2016

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#29

I think "odds" games work better in variants such as bughouse/crazyhouse and maybe even 960 than in standard chess. In standard chess, you're drastically changing the opening (even in rook odds where you choose a rook that is slow to get into the game, your goals in the opening are now different), so it's not really the same game. In certain variants, opening strategy is significantly different anyway, and taking a piece off the board maybe doesn't change things all that much.

That said, even in standard chess, that's how I learned. My dad would take some of his pieces off before the game; after I beat him five times, the handicap would shrink a little.

Willy_On_wheels

Nov 24, 2016

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#30

the game

https://www.chess.com/live/game/1823503841

NEW GAME Willy_On_wheels and ghrog vs. Pereval and amaan3 (3|0 Bughouse rated) win +38 / draw +16 / lose -7 Willy_On_wheels: I nnneed to go peepee GAME OVER Pereval (1411) and amaan3 (1741) won by checkmate (3|0 Bughouse rated) Your new Bughouse rating is 582 (-7). Pereval has left the chat room. You have issued a challenge. Waiting to find an opponent... You have cancelled a challenge. NEW GAME Willy_On_wheels and pantzarvagnen vs. DreckFreser and xarisole1994 (3|0 Bughouse rated) win +44 / draw +22 / lose -1 DreckFreser resigns GAME OVER Willy_On_wheels (582) and pantzarvagnen (1707) won by resignation (3|0 Bughouse rated) DreckFreser has left the chat room. You have issued a challenge. Waiting to find an opponent... You have cancelled a challenge. NEW GAME Willy_On_wheels and pantzarvagnen vs. DreckFreser and xarisole1994 (3|0 Bughouse rated) win +44 / draw +22 / lose -1 DreckFreser resigns GAME OVER Willy_On_wheels (582) and pantzarvagnen (1707) won by resignation (3|0 Bughouse rated) You have issued a challenge. Waiting to find an opponent... You have cancelled a challenge. NEW GAME Willy_On_wheels and axelf77 vs. DreckFreser and xarisole1994 (3|0 Bughouse rated) win +44 / draw +21 / lose -1 GAME OVER Willy_On_wheels (582) and axelf77 (1831) won by resignation (3|0 Bughouse rated) You have issued a challenge. Waiting to find an opponent... You have cancelled a challenge. NEW GAME DreckFreser and xarisole1994 vs. Willy_On_wheels and cheesebread-zh (3|0 Bughouse rated) win +44 / draw +22 / lose -1 DreckFreser resigns GAME OVER Willy_On_wheels (582) and cheesebread-zh (1655) won by resignation (3|0 Bughouse rated) DreckFreser has left the chat room. You have issued a challenge. Waiting to find an opponent... You have cancelled a challenge. NEW GAME DreckFreser and xarisole1994 vs. Willy_On_wheels and ghrog (3|0 Bughouse rated) win +43 / draw +21 / lose -1 GAME OVER Willy_On_wheels (582) and ghrog (1925) won by resignation (3|0 Bughouse rated) You have issued a challenge. Waiting to find an opponent... You have cancelled a challenge. NEW GAME Willy_On_wheels and axelf77 vs. Veritas08 and Pereval (3|0 Bughouse rated) win +21 / draw 0 / lose -21 Willy_On_wheels: I need to go peepee Willy_On_wheels: where is t6he bathroom axelf77: omg axelf77: hurry, man axelf77: and make decent moves axelf77: do not blunder everything Willy_On_wheels: I can do what I want to do GAME OVER Veritas08 (998) and Pereval (1420) won by resignation (3|0 Bughouse rated) Your new Bughouse rating is 561 (-21). Live Analysis Share Add Friend Rematch New 3|0 Bughouse rated Veritas08 has left the chat room. Willy_On_wheels: I love blundering

Willy_On_wheels

Nov 24, 2016

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#31

https://www.chess.com/live/game/1823528615

NEW GAME
Willy_On_wheels and KillerBeesOnAttack vs. sdfrt and bashkiriya02 (3|0 Bughouse rated)
win +13 / draw -6 / lose -25