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You could look at my profile and noticeI haven't played racing kings, but I do play in lichess so here we go!

1. What is the goal?

2. Where do kings start? (coordinates)

3. Can you check?

4. Can you checkmate?

5. Is 1 .Nxc1 by white possible?

6. What is the first best move for white?

7. What is the best response of black after white's best move?

8. What is (are) the best piece (s) ?

9. Is the queen really the most powerful

10.  What date did chess.com out this mode?

Winner gets 1 trophy!

@rune_raider, u already won a lot so you won't participate.

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get the king to the 8th rank

a2 and h2 i think

no

no (i mean getting the king to the end has the # at the end but isn't checkmate)

yes…?

idk

idk

rooks

no

never

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Miniongolf wrote:

get the king to the 8th rank

a2 and h2 i think

no

no (i mean getting the king to the end has the # at the end but isn't checkmate)

yes…?

idk

idk

rooks

no

never

u clearly haven't checked "notes" in this club

 

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1. Get your king to the 8th rank

2. a2, h2

3. No

4. N0pe

5. Yes but only if it the knight wont check the black king

6. Ummmmmmmmmm... Rg3?

7. Er... well... um... maybe Nxf2?

8. Prob rook cause easy to develop 

9. No 

10. Yesterday (Tue mar 9) 

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wait.... THEY ADDED RACING KINGS?? YAY!!

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(Retry)


1. Get your king to the 8th rank

2. a2, h2

3. No

4. N0pe

5. Yes but only if it the knight wont check the black king
6. Nd4

7. Nxf2

8. Queen

9. Yes

10. Mar 9
 

 

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1) Bring your king to 8th rank

2) a2 h2

3) No

4) No

5) No, because it's check

6) Bd4/Kg3

7) 1. Bd4 Be4 and 1. Kg3 Kb3/Nxf2.

8) Hard question. Queen or Rook. But the most important piece is definitely the king

9) No, queen doesn't use all its opportunities

10) Yesterday, 18 hours ago

Avatar of SpecialKO

1. Win the game (jk, bring your king to the 8th rank) 

2. a2 and h2

3. no 

4. no

5. no

6. Kg3
7. Kb3/Nxg2 

8. King (queen then rook) 

9. in my opinion rooks are better than queens in end games, cuz other pieces can easily block the back rank and queen can’t recapture, and if your opponent wants to block the back rank, it needs to have a king on the same file or needs another piece to support it, if not then rook can recapture back

10. March 9 

Feedback: you should add a question is stalemate possible

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rune_raider wrote:

you said i can't participate but you asked me to participate when we played together lol.

1. get king to 8th rank

2. h2 and a2

3. no

4. not with pieces

5. no because it is check

6. according to https://lichess.org/study/V39gYCxO, there are four moves which are equally as good as one another since they are objectively drawn. These four moves are Kg3, Bd4, Nxc2, and Kh3. Kg3 is the easiest but is the most well known, thus I could imagine it being hard to use it to play for a win at the highest level. Kh3 is the hardest to play, and lesser known. Nxc2 is probably easier to analyze, being more forcing. Thus, my best guess is that Bd4 is the best way to play for a win? I am not sure what answer you are looking for, so I am just going to guess Kg3 lol because after Bd4, both Kb3 and Be4 are sufficient to hold.

7. After 1 Kg3, the best response must be ...Kb3, although Royalmaniac's study says both Kb3 and Nxf2 are good.

8. Queen. According to RoyalManiac, the piece values are Knight = 1, Bishop = 2.5, Rook = 5, and Queen = 5.5. He assigned queen as the highest because of the queen's diagonal movement being often useful.

9. Yes

10. March 9-10 2021 (depending on the time-zone), but anyway it appears to have been released about 16 hours ago!

 

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1. Отправить своего короля на 8 ряд быстрее оппонента.

2. h2/a2

3. Нет

4. Нет

5. Нет

6. Kg3 

7. {Kg3 Kb3}

8. Королева

9. Да

10. 8 Марта

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Hey guys! RoyalManiac here, I thought I'd chime in with a few thoughts.

There's indeed no "best" opening for white. Quick summary below.

  • 1.Kg3: best characterised as "solid" imo -> black plays Nxf2 or Kb3, all other moves are technically worse or straight up losing
  • 1.Bd4: I'd call it "tactical" and "diverse" more than any other opening -> main response Be4, though Kb3 is also fine if played correctly. Ka3 much worse due to 2.Nxc1 
  • 1.Nxc2: Also tactical, but "positional" would be my primary label -> black can go Nxf2, Rxc2 or Kb3 in response
  • 1.Kh3: the "little brother" of the four main openings, less popular due to it being positionally weaker and frequently misplayed. Black is fine with Be4 or Kb3. Nxf1 is surprisingly better for white if you know the theory.
  • Other moves are 1.Nd4, the "5th opening of RK, or 1.Nf4. Trolling can be achieved with 1.Rg8, Bh4, Ba7, Bc5... They're technically worse / losing and harder to play, but fun and rewarding if you get it right.  

I had almost forgotten about my piece value assessment, where did you get that information from? :-P
Since there are no pawns in racing kings, the "centipawn" value has to be interpreted in a slightly different way. When I created those values, I took the knight as my reference and set its value to 1, comparing the pieces from there. If I had to do it again? I'd probably end up on N = 1, B = 2.5, R = 5 & Q = 6 or 6.25 / 6.5 but it's just my feeling, and values will change depending on what kind of position you have on the board. Both bishops and knights can be criminally underrated in middlegame positions with this estimate.

Piece evaluation isn't a golden rule anyway. A couple of things to keep in mind:

  • Although some pieces are less valuable than others, you do not want to give up material unnecessarily early on in the game, unless you either have strong positional compensation or your opponents' pieces are misplaced.
  • An active bishop pair is almost always better than a major piece (rook or queen). Take care of your bishops when you can!
  • Knights can be useful in more ways than you might think. Not only can they threaten and capture other pieces, but they can be quite strong when placed directly to the side, or below the enemy king in the middlegame / endgame. And let's not forget, they're a piece that you could use to block a rank free for your king if need be.

It's late at night so I'm not going to type out too much, but do let me know if you have any questions and I can answer them later. I'm working on an RK website at the moment, and although it doesn't contain much content yet it will be updated daily over the next few weeks at least. Here's a list of resources featuring the most important study material for racing kings, including both opening studies, puzzles, forum posts and youtube videos: https://sites.google.com/view/racingkingswc/resources

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RKManiac написал:

Hey guys! RoyalManiac here, I thought I'd chime in with a few thoughts.

There's indeed no "best" opening for white. Quick summary below.

  • 1.Kg3: best characterised as "solid" imo -> black plays Nxf2 or Kb3, all other moves are technically worse or straight up losing
  • 1.Bd4: I'd call it "tactical" and "diverse" more than any other opening -> main response Be4, though Kb3 is also fine if played correctly. Ka3 much worse due to 2.Nxc1 
  • 1.Nxc2: Also tactical, but "positional" would be my primary label -> black can go Nxf2, Rxc2 or Kb3 in response
  • 1.Kh3: the "little brother" of the four main openings, less popular due to it being positionally weaker and frequently misplayed. Black is fine with Be4 or Kb3. Nxf1 is surprisingly better for white if you know the theory.
  • Other moves are 1.Nd4, the "5th opening of RK, or 1.Nf4. Trolling can be achieved with 1.Rg8, Bh4, Ba7, Bc5... They're technically worse / losing and harder to play, but fun and rewarding if you get it right.  

I had almost forgotten about my piece value assessment, where did you get that information from? :-P
Since there are no pawns in racing kings, the "centipawn" value has to be interpreted in a slightly different way. When I created those values, I took the knight as my reference and set its value to 1, comparing the pieces from there. If I had to do it again? I'd probably end up on N = 1, B = 2.5, R = 5 & Q = 6 or 6.25 / 6.5 but it's just my feeling, and values will change depending on what kind of position you have on the board. Both bishops and knights can be criminally underrated in middlegame positions with this estimate.

Piece evaluation isn't a golden rule anyway. A couple of things to keep in mind:

  • Although some pieces are less valuable than others, you do not want to give up material unnecessarily early on in the game, unless you either have strong positional compensation or your opponents' pieces are misplaced.
  • An active bishop pair is almost always better than a major piece (rook or queen). Take care of your bishops when you can!
  • Knights can be useful in more ways than you might think. Not only can they threaten and capture other pieces, but they can be quite strong when placed directly to the side, or below the enemy king in the middlegame / endgame. And let's not forget, they're a piece that you could use to block a rank free for your king if need be.

It's late at night so I'm not going to type out too much, but do let me know if you have any questions and I can answer them later. I'm working on an RK website at the moment, and although it doesn't contain much content yet it will be updated daily over the next few weeks at least. Here's a list of resources featuring the most important study material for racing kings, including both opening studies, puzzles, forum posts and youtube videos: https://sites.google.com/view/racingkingswc/resources

RK legend is here!

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rune_raider wrote:

At the highest level, what could be the best opening for playing for a win?

Honestly, it's whatever you are most comfortable playing with and know the most theory about.

1.Kg3 is generally the most theorised opening of all at the elite level, but as long as you can force your opponent to blunder anything will work. From my experience in the 2019 & 2020 Racing Kings WC tournaments, it's not so much an absolute that one opening is better than the other - though yes, 1.Bd4 is the most forcing opening and has the most sidelines (3.Nc3, 3.Qh4, 4.Rg8, 4.Nd3, just to name a few from the mainline 1.Bd4 Be4 2.Kg3 Kb3 3.Kf4 Kc4). It's about playing what your opponent doesn't know that will bring you the best results. How you acquire that knowledge is an entirely different question... :-P

Here on chess.com the player pool is a mix of RK veterans, a few outcasts and new players. It'll vary per opponent what the best strategy might be.

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hello

 

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Hey there Fisherman, are you interested in racing kings as well?

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yes

 

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kings are the most important pieces besides pawns

 

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But... Pawns don't exist in racing kings :-P

https://support.chess.com/article/1968-what-is-racing-kings-chess

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i can get you a mate with a move

 

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i can get mate in 1 with racing kings

and 2