HOW TO USE DGT BOARD AND CHROME EXTENSION CORRECTLY !

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Hyper-Dragon wrote:
danielbaechli wrote:

I've seen this, but now I understand only. The moving support is still from the website, but the plugin announces the moves. That's great.

Almost, but not quite. 

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Thanks a lot for the detailed feedback. That is very appreciated! It's great that there is active development. I understand that it is in the "Alpha" stage, but obviously already better than that. Thanks!

Hyper-Dragon
danielbaechli wrote:
BaronVonChickenpants wrote:

You can adjust the delay value, giving you more time to make a move before the  mismatch announcement

Thanks for the hint. That is good.

When I play e4, my opponent plays d5, but I replay the wrong move e5; a mismatch detection must hang in right away. That is not the case. If I have a delay setting of 15 seconds, it tells me the mismatch 15 seconds after I replayed the wrong move.

As the software does not control the moves, it cannot prevent wrong moves. I play e4, the opponent plays d5, but I replay e5, I play f4, and f4 is a game move.

Ah, ok...I see what you mean.  I don't think that there is anything practical that can be done about this in the short term but it has sparked an interesting thought so thank you for that.

As an alternative suggestion did you spot this post?  I find mismatches almost a thing of the past with it running.

p.s apologies if I came across a bit defensive, it wasn't my intention.

 

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Hyper-Dragon wrote:
danielbaechli wrote:
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Ah, ok...I see what you mean.  I don't think that there is anything practical that can be done about this in the short term but it has sparked an interesting thought so thank you for that.

As an alternative suggestion did you spot this post?  I find mismatches almost a thing of the past with it running.

p.s apologies if I came across a bit defensive, it wasn't my intention.

 

No problem, I understood the reply. However, maybe I should have made it more evident that I am just projecting my expectation of a perfect software onto your software.

The Winged Horse mode is truly amazing. I prefer something that I can set up quickly, for otherwise, I do not play because I am too lazy to set up. But that is a personal preference only. The existing approach offered by DGT with starting DGT LiveChess and so on is already a bit much. But you are right that it is a big step in resolving the position mismatch problem.

The voice commentary from chess.com started as a Christmas gadget and turned out to be nothing more than that, not being maintained anymore. No voice announcement is offered neither by CDC nor DGT for playing on chess.com. Your software addresses this.

Great on the one side, but I ask, why does it need somebody who builds this personally? The answer is that neither chess.com nor DGT is interested enough to provide the user with a good software experience, and having to say such a thing after buying such an expensive board makes me feel like being cheated in a chess game. It is not right, but there is not much one can do about it.

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If I understood this correctly, the only way to play on chess.com is now:

1) One installs the chrome extension "DGT Angel" and the cherub software from HyperDragon, as described. It announces the moves and position mismatches and also provides a clock.

2) Starting DGT LiveChess

3) One must use the old interface. So Play / Live Chess / Play, which opens the old interface.

One must not use the new interface via Play / + New Game / Play.

4) One must enable the DGT board in chess.com using the gear icon at the top right corner of the board.

5) Moving tipps:

  • Moves are preferably made by lifting up and putting down the pieces, not sliding.
  • When castling, as required, first move the king. Then wait until the software announces the detection of the castling move. Only then move the rook accordingly.

6) The software from HyperDragon will announce a position mismatch. But if you have a position mismatch, so the position on the DGT board does not match the actual game, and you make a move on the board, the software will take it.

Example: You play e4 on the board, opponent replies with d5, but you replay e5 on the board. The software says "position mismatch" after some time. If you play Nf3 on the DGT board, although the position on the board does not match the position in the game, Nf3 is your next game move.

If I am missing something, please tell me.

Hyper-Dragon
danielbaechli wrote:

Great on the one side, but I ask, why does it need somebody who builds this personally? The answer is that neither chess.com nor DGT is interested enough to provide the user with a good software experience, and having to say such a thing after buying such an expensive board makes me feel like being cheated in a chess game. It is not right, but there is not much one can do about it.

The thing that really puzzles me is that there is obviously a real demand for board based online play.  The regium scam followed by an explosion in e-board choices has proven that.
I understand that CDC is wary of an open interactive API due to concerns about cheating since it lowers the barrier to entry but I don't see why they can't provide an authorized certification route.  Seemingly the stock forum answer is to send an email. 

From the manufacturers perspective selling chess boards must be a challenging task.  It is a small market where you need to do enough to get people to buy your product (bundling Fritz 14 when it is on version 18. seriously?) but once the sale has been made there is little incentive to continue innovating the software.  Your customer won't likely be back for a long time.  I have some concern for the long-term support of the newer e-boards with IOS/Android apps.

 
I don't want to give anyone any ideas but maybe CDC could add a very small surcharge for e-board play with the money going directly back to the manufactures in turn for proper ongoing support.  That way everyone benefits.

Hyper-Dragon
danielbaechli wrote:

If I understood this correctly, the only way to play on chess.com is now:

1) One installs the chrome extension "DGT Angel" and the cherub software from HyperDragon, as described. It announces the moves and position mismatches and also provides a clock.

I don't know if this is the only way but certainly the best way wink.

danielbaechli wrote:

If I understood this correctly, the only way to play on chess.com is now:

3) One must use the old interface. So Play / Live Chess / Play, which opens the old interface.

One must not use the new interface via Play / + New Game / Play.

True for now.  The code for the play board is written but not published in the Chrome store.  I will, of course, upload it when the 'live' board is finally removed 'this year'.


To speed things up you can navigate directly to the correct board by clicking on 'Tasks->Play on chess.com' in Cherub.

danielbaechli wrote:

If I am missing something, please tell me.

I think that this does indeed cover it thumbup.

 

 

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@Hyper-Dragon

Thanks for the comments. I am aware of the potential support for the new interface, and I think the suggested way is a good way to handle it.