If God doesn't exist, is it still beneficial to believe in Him?

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Brian-E

I too, as an atheist, agree with reservations. Religious belief can be beneficial in circumstances where someone is grieving, afraid, or simply needs to make some sense out of life. But for many people it is not necessary, even in those circumstances. We all have our ways of dealing with adversity.

 

Meanwhile, the dogma which often accompanies religion and tries to dictate how people should live there lives is often downright disastrous. So a balance needs to be found.

dscrugham

I see. I will say that true Christians are not saved because they want stuff out of it but so God gets the glory out of it. But Christianity does really comform people because God is real. If you don't agree with that then I see how you could still think it was beneficial, as did Benjamin Franklin. Franklin was a deist but he wanted religion everywhere because people acted better when George Whitefield converted them. This made God's existence likely.

On the dogma you mentioned, you can't say to your son "live your life however you want, I'm not going to guide you or parent you." In the same way, God can't say to his creation "Do whatever." He tells them to obey him. He is the best parent I could ask for, and unlike my earthly father he has never made a single mistake.

zeloplesnivsir
dscrugham wrote:

I see. I will say that true Christians are not saved because they want stuff out of it but so God gets the glory out of it. But Christianity does really comform people because God is real. If you don't agree with that then I see how you could still think it was beneficial, as did Benjamin Franklin. Franklin was a deist but he wanted religion everywhere because people acted better when George Whitefield converted them. This made God's existence likely. Perks and problems which believers have because of their belief are not in any relation with how true that beliefs are. If it would be proven one day that believing that our ancestors had wings is super beneficial, it wouldn't make it any nearer the truth. Also, I don't think that people act better because of their religion, on the opposite, I think that they behave worse than atheists because of their irrational beliefs. However, they personally feel better because of such beliefs.

 

dscrugham
zeloplesnivsir wrote:
dscrugham wrote:

I see. I will say that true Christians are not saved because they want stuff out of it but so God gets the glory out of it. But Christianity does really comform people because God is real. If you don't agree with that then I see how you could still think it was beneficial, as did Benjamin Franklin. Franklin was a deist but he wanted religion everywhere because people acted better when George Whitefield converted them. This made God's existence likely. Perks and problems which believers have because of their belief are not in any relation with how true that beliefs are. If it would be proven one day that believing that our ancestors had wings is super beneficial, it wouldn't make it any nearer the truth. Also, I don't think that people act better because of their religion, on the opposite, I think that they behave worse than atheists because of their irrational beliefs. However, they personally feel better because of such beliefs.

 

Here's a question for ya. If God has a 0.0000001% chance of existing in your mind, why don't you believe in him? Because under your model, when anything bad happens, we are under a cloud of a random dustball shooting through a random universe and when we die there is nothing else. What could be more depressing than that. Tell that to all the victims of shootings and tragedy. But if God does happen to exist and you believe in Him, you will go to heaven, and if you do not, you will go to hell. So wouldn't it be foolish to not risk the chance (to you) that God is real and hell is real? Wouldn't it be wise to prepare for the possibility of eternity if it exists? Because if you are wrong you'll regret it for the rest of eternity.

zeloplesnivsir
dscrugham wrote:

Here's a question for ya. If God has a 0.0000001% chance of existing in your mind, why don't you believe in him? Because under your model, when anything bad happens, we are under a cloud of a random dustball shooting through a random universe and when we die there is nothing else. What could be more depressing than that. Tell that to all the victims of shootings and tragedy. But if God does happen to exist and you believe in Him, you will go to heaven, and if you do not, you will go to hell. So wouldn't it be foolish to not risk the chance (to you) that God is real and hell is real? Wouldn't it be wise to prepare for the possibility of eternity if it exists? Because if you are wrong you'll regret it for the rest of eternity. 

Is it reasonably to talk about probability for the existence of (g)God, taking into consideration that we don't have enough knowledge/data to even know what/who god is or which circumstances enlarge or reduce its probability? From my point of view: There is no evidence (duh!) for god. Also, if you presume that god exists, you must somehow explain its existence. It seems logical to me to say that probability is small, as you can't be certain of anything except your own existence. Feel welcome to share your views

But if there is in fact a god, how probable is it that your version of god is the one that really exists? If you only look on how many different religions exist today, which all have different view (and probably each single person inside every of them) on what/who is really god and what does he want us to do. There is an infinite (literally!) number of all possible gods and infinite number of ways in which they wish us to behave, some don't even care, and some possible gods may don't even know we exist. What is the probability of your god bing the on true god? Isn't there a bigger probability that you are actually angering the one true god with praising the wrong one? Does it really have to be only one god? 

If something is depressing, it doesn't make it less real. If I chose a god and picked a wrong one, I could be in even bigger sh!t. Yes, lies can be comforting, but are still lies. Are comforting lies good for each individual? Might be. But for society? 

dscrugham
zeloplesnivsir wrote:

 

If something is depressing, it doesn't make it less real. If I chose a god and picked a wrong one, I could be in even bigger sh!t. Yes, lies can be comforting, but are still lies. Are comforting lies good for each individual? Might be. But for society? 

But what if all the other gods are false ones described in the Bible? NO OTHER GOD has prophesied correctly in his word through his followers over and over and over again. NO OTHER GOD has written so many things that were proven over to be historically accurate. NO OTHER GOD has a factual story, unlike Jesus who was factually alive (this is proven) and factually died (history records) and factually seen by 500 people after he rose again who did not deny it. They could not keep a conspiracy that big with 500 people, sorry to say. It is simply impossible. So there is only one God. And his name is Yahweh.

dscrugham

Oh and the Bible has more manuscripts than Homer. It is the #1 most reliable proven manuscript in terms of number of manuscripts and age.