Is This a Blunder?

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ChessMasterGS

Is playing the fianchetto as Red a blunder?

Imo, it stops the possibility of trading bishops; anybody who thinks that moving the bishop in front of the rook pawn is a better idea is delusional because Blue can simply block the trades with a pawn push.

TheUltraTrap

its good move ig, after y gets king to support, both pawns can be released and bish trade

xXMagolorXx

Doesn't look bad to me. After moves like f6, g6, Kf7, Bg7 yellow is doing fine. Yellow can prevent blue's knight harassment with Ne7. Yellow and Red can eventually manage a safe bishop trade. You could argue that this could take a while in hyp fiesta to accomplish and you may not like this opening because it's a lot harder for yellow than it is red, but seriously: if you don't like this opening, you should stop playing e6 as a response to b3. Everybody and their mom is going to play Bb2 after b3 because its their most natural move and they don't give a care in the world if you think it's bad for them.

Max_Wolfe

I have already argued with you over this tongue.png 

In this position I would definitely play Bb2 as Red.

For you GS I would still continue with the B+. (In hyper at least) 

after the trade if you take back with knight you threaten the Knight fork on green. I don't see how Bb2 could be called a blunder wink.png

 

ChessMasterGS
Max_Wolfe wrote:

I have already argued with you over this  

In this position I would definitely play Bb2 as Red.

For you GS I would still continue with the B+. (In hyper at least) 

after the trade if you take back with knight you threaten the Knight fork on green. I don't see how Bb2 could be called a blunder

Why would I check and lose a rook?

JoBlunder

not a blunder. it's inaccuracy,

saying that as a Blunder ))

Max_Wolfe
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:

I have already argued with you over this  

In this position I would definitely play Bb2 as Red.

For you GS I would still continue with the B+. (In hyper at least) 

after the trade if you take back with knight you threaten the Knight fork on green. I don't see how Bb2 could be called a blunder

Why would I check and lose a rook?

You won't lose a rook unless blue forces it by checking you...

You play B+ and then red plays BxP and you play Bishop to long diagonal. Often players will take the bishop rather than the Rook but either way you are ok. 

Duck
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:

I have already argued with you over this  

In this position I would definitely play Bb2 as Red.

For you GS I would still continue with the B+. (In hyper at least) 

after the trade if you take back with knight you threaten the Knight fork on green. I don't see how Bb2 could be called a blunder

Why would I check and lose a rook?

You won't lose a rook unless blue forces it by checking you...

You play B+ and then red plays BxP and you play Bishop to long diagonal. Often players will take the bishop rather than the Rook but either way you are ok. 

That's the point, blue is going to check you 

oatey

Sorry I don't see it as a blunder, but I'm not a fan of the King pawn opening - if anything in this game I would say its better not to play the King pawn as Yellow.

 

Yes it takes a little time to trade bishops, but you can be patient happy.png

Max_Wolfe
ScatteredWealth wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:

I have already argued with you over this  

In this position I would definitely play Bb2 as Red.

For you GS I would still continue with the B+. (In hyper at least) 

after the trade if you take back with knight you threaten the Knight fork on green. I don't see how Bb2 could be called a blunder

Why would I check and lose a rook?

You won't lose a rook unless blue forces it by checking you...

You play B+ and then red plays BxP and you play Bishop to long diagonal. Often players will take the bishop rather than the Rook but either way you are ok. 

That's the point, blue is going to check you 

It's not in Blue's interest to check tho? Red will just win Bishop and Rook. 

ChessMasterGS
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:

I have already argued with you over this  

In this position I would definitely play Bb2 as Red.

For you GS I would still continue with the B+. (In hyper at least) 

after the trade if you take back with knight you threaten the Knight fork on green. I don't see how Bb2 could be called a blunder

Why would I check and lose a rook?

You won't lose a rook unless blue forces it by checking you...

You play B+ and then red plays BxP and you play Bishop to long diagonal. Often players will take the bishop rather than the Rook but either way you are ok. 

That's the point, blue is going to check you 

It's not in Blue's interest to check tho? Red will just win Bishop and Rook. 

The world is unfair, my friend

Hobbes
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:

I have already argued with you over this  

In this position I would definitely play Bb2 as Red.

For you GS I would still continue with the B+. (In hyper at least) 

after the trade if you take back with knight you threaten the Knight fork on green. I don't see how Bb2 could be called a blunder

Why would I check and lose a rook?

You won't lose a rook unless blue forces it by checking you...

You play B+ and then red plays BxP and you play Bishop to long diagonal. Often players will take the bishop rather than the Rook but either way you are ok. 

That's the point, blue is going to check you 

It's not in Blue's interest to check tho? Red will just win Bishop and Rook. 

The world is unfair, my friend

I completely agree with Max on this wink.png 

ChessMasterGS
xXTurboSnailXx wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:

I have already argued with you over this  

In this position I would definitely play Bb2 as Red.

For you GS I would still continue with the B+. (In hyper at least) 

after the trade if you take back with knight you threaten the Knight fork on green. I don't see how Bb2 could be called a blunder

Why would I check and lose a rook?

You won't lose a rook unless blue forces it by checking you...

You play B+ and then red plays BxP and you play Bishop to long diagonal. Often players will take the bishop rather than the Rook but either way you are ok. 

That's the point, blue is going to check you 

It's not in Blue's interest to check tho? Red will just win Bishop and Rook. 

The world is unfair, my friend

I completely agree with Max on this  

Imagine being so cringe you need your alt to make a point

Hobbes
ChessMasterGS wrote:
xXTurboSnailXx wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ScatteredWealth wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:
Max_Wolfe wrote:

I have already argued with you over this  

In this position I would definitely play Bb2 as Red.

For you GS I would still continue with the B+. (In hyper at least) 

after the trade if you take back with knight you threaten the Knight fork on green. I don't see how Bb2 could be called a blunder

Why would I check and lose a rook?

You won't lose a rook unless blue forces it by checking you...

You play B+ and then red plays BxP and you play Bishop to long diagonal. Often players will take the bishop rather than the Rook but either way you are ok. 

That's the point, blue is going to check you 

It's not in Blue's interest to check tho? Red will just win Bishop and Rook. 

The world is unfair, my friend

I completely agree with Max on this  

Imagine being so cringe you need your alt to make a point

tongue.png

TheUltraTrap

blue might check if they want to prejudice the strongest player or is low rated... I wouldnt risk it. Weakening yellow defense = easier attack for blue

IHaveTheSauce

Red didn't make any blunders, if anything it's you who made a blunder. Obviously in a 15 sec hyper game it probably won't matter, but objectively, pushing your king pawn as yellow is a bad idea in this position. You'll either get harassed by blue's knight, or pawn stormed by blue, or both (Trust me I have learned this the hard way). Either way you will struggle to make trades and develop any of your pieces, and you will probably end up getting ganged up on because you are the weakest and thus easiest to exploit. It's probably better to push the bishop pawn, even if it may let blue fork you.

ChessMasterGS

So all of you are saying that I'm screwed either way? Really really really helpful, everyone.

Max_Wolfe
ChessMasterGS wrote:

So all of you are saying that I'm screwed either way? Really really really helpful, everyone.

Lol who said that? In your position you can risk the long diagonal bishop trade or delay the trade and play the pawn to block and trade knights with Blue instead wink.png 

ChessMasterGS
Max_Wolfe wrote:
ChessMasterGS wrote:

So all of you are saying that I'm screwed either way? Really really really helpful, everyone.

Lol who said that? In your position you can risk the long diagonal bishop trade or delay the trade and play the pawn to block and trade knights with Blue instead  

"Red didn't make any blunders, if anything it's you who made a blunder."

"It's probably better to push the bishop pawn, even if it may let blue fork you."

Hobbes

Well you aren't lost in that position. That was a conclusion you made. "Red didn't make any blunders, if anything it's you who made a blunder." this statement is in response to you saying Bb2 is a blunder. Red plays first, your response to his move (b3) was pushing your King pawn to follow up with check. Considering these points is it his fault he followed up 1.b3 with 2. Bb2? 

Possibly when play diagonally opposite to a b3 Bb2 player you could adapt your opening if you don't like the above position.