Lets talk about the big bang.

Incidentally, Stephen, please accept my thanks for engaging with me. The same goes also to Truthmuse. I got on my high horse a bit to force you to make a decision to engage or to completely ignore, and for that, please accept my apologies.

OF COURSE they haven't. They're completely hidebound as a group because, as I pointed out, they lack someone with sufficient vision to show them a lead. As a breed they're myopic. Either they go for completely childish ideas like Many Worlds and Multiverse or they're lost. As a group, they gravitate towards trying to attract attention by grabbing the latest off-the-wall ideas.

Once you get it through your heads that university astrophysicists may well be second class physicists because the best ones do something material (like my son for instance) then you'll begin to understand that I could be right.

Anyway, why can't you acknowledge that your mistake regarding the reason for the capitalisation of Big Bang Theory is sufficient to account for your obvious lack of understanding as to why it's called a theory? You're playing with the big boys now. You aren't talking to Elroch.

Love to stay and chat but I'm afraid one or two really serious things need attention in the 'real' world!

Like washing my hair.

Ok happy bathtime! I just walked with my wife to the place where she's getting a something-or-other diabetic retinopathy test. Left her there sitting with the old codgers.

And again, CM. was predicted by Big Bang. Just as expanding was.

Boy! For a theory that is supposed to be so wrong, it sure gets a lot right.

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LOL right?

You said it. But I was guilty of thinking it.

It was known that the universe is expanding for a long time. The Big Bang was conceived to fit in with that. It really ought to be obvious that it must be that way round, in any case. The idea of everything starting as a pin-prick and expanding into what is now the topography of the universe wouldn't have possibly occurred to anyone unless they knew it was expanding. The idea was conceived, apparently, by Le Maitre, a priest. That's as I recall without checking, anyway. So it's OBVIOUSLY a miraculous beginning for the universe. It's totally unscientific to consider it to be anything other than a miracle and Einstein supported it, because he also believed in God. He was a deist and there's no real difference between a deist and a theist. I'll explain the reasoning for that if you wish.

Anyway, you're completely mistaken in thinking that the BBT could have predicted the expanding universe. That's a combination of hindsight and something else. If anything, it would predict a universe which definitely doesn't exist. It would predict one expanding with linear momentum whereas in fact, the expansion is accelerating. That is definitely NOT what the BBT predicts and so they had to add an ad hoc inflationary mechanism, which has nothing to do with the BBT. You're in good company because it's also completely beyond Elroch to understand any of this, or so it seems!

The BBT is basically a failed hypothesis and more and more cosmologists are accepting that. It's only people who are stuck in the 1980s who stay with the BBT. Elroch is emotionally attached to it, for instance! That may explain his slowness. The Big Bang gets nothing right but you do have to be reasonably intelligent to understand why. The idea that alternative ideas have been explored is complete nonsense. As I pointed out previously, on a scale of one to ten for intelligence among physicists, cosmologists as a cluster aren't above about four. My son reckoned that the less able physicists are attracted to cosmology and astrophysics. He could see it happening while he was doing his physics PhD. The ones that scored lower in exams were tending to head towards astrophysics.

The 'Big Bang' theory predicted the CMB (Cosmic Microwave Background) radiation, not the expansion of the Universe, for the simple reason that the concept of the 'BB' derives from the observation of that expansion.

Neither did it predict the acceleration in that expansion because no cause (such as 'Dark Energy') that could result in such acceleration was included in the theory.

Last warning you keep insulting people your gone.

Oh? And what would you say to others who insult people? Are you really going to misuse your admin status to wreck your own club and make a complete fool of yourself, because of a completely slanted ability to perceive who is insulting whom? I suggest you grow up, you pompous idiot. You appear to have a mental age of about ten, so your "position" as an admin is pretty laughable and badly thought out by others. This is hardly the first club to have megalomaniacs as admins and I suggest you think hard about yourself.

Haven't you managed to work out why this club has so few members? Could it not be due to your own pompous, passive-aggressive and condescending attitude to others? There are about ten admins here in a club that will soon have 21 members. Maybe you ARE a ten year old and all the stuff about working in computing is pretence. You need to grow up fast. Nothing I wrote there is an insult and it was simply a reaction to pompous people like yourself. But you wouldn't know the difference, would you.

Bye.

If you guys think I over reacted let me know!

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240514141300.htm 

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