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We have score among all teams on chess.com based on Daily matches.

On the right panel  for Team Kazakhstan for example it is #80 of 42653 (99.8%)

 

How about adding another score for Live matches?

And then Total score of Daily+Live scores.

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What does this have to do with the group? What’s the purpose? 

Avatar of krypton00

Same what  current ranking does, but with taking into acount Live matches. 

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I agree with this Live Matches should also be a part of it.

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Yes you can do that for any team. It’s why we have the leaderboard with the options to change it to live chess in its many forms. 

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I'd actually prefer completely replacing the current points-based system with an Elo-based system.  The points-based system rewards quantity over quality.

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MGleason wrote:

I'd actually prefer completely replacing the current points-based system with an Elo-based system.  The points-based system rewards quantity over quality.

+1

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I disagree with that. Having a quantity over quality system just means that the oldest clubs will always be at the top of the leaderboard. It also allows teams that play lots of micromatches (1-5 boards) to shoot up the ranking. The current system allows strong teams to be able to make it to the top, even if it takes a little while. 

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@20gblum I think you misunderstood my suggestion.

The current system is points-based, and rewards quantity over quality.  It is dominated primarily by older teams and by teams that play huge numbers of matches.  The top teams on the team match leaderboard have played literally thousands of matches, and in some cases tens of thousands, but many of those matches were small and against weak opposition.  The only team in the top 5 that legitimately has a claim to be one of the strongest team match teams on the site is Team Russia, in 5th place, with their ability to bring hundreds of boards to important league matches.

We see a similar pattern on the vote chess leaderboard.  Seven of the top 8 teams have played over a thousand team matches, and the top four have played over three thousand.  The top two have played over seven thousand.  The #2 team has a 45% win rate.  Some of these have a higher win rate, but that's inflated by playing games against any team that will accept or create an open challenge - and that means a lot of weak opponents that will time out mid-game or will have no discussion and play poorly.

Switching to an Elo-based system would mean that the leaderboard is dominated by teams that win matches against strong opposition, rather than by teams that play lots of matches.  A team that wins against strong opposition would rise towards the top within a relatively small number of matches, while a team that plays tons of matches against mediocre opposition would have a mediocre rating.

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You're right. I completely misunderstood you. However, it is still possible for quality teams to rise up the rankings. I've seen a club that is just 1.5 years old rise up to within the top 0.5%.

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Yes - but by playing a lot of matches, rather than by beating quality opposition.

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That's why so many teams favour 1 or 2 player matches and it's not really against decent opponents 

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It's also why some teams have literally hundreds of ongoing matches, many of them involving one or two boards.

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MGleason hat geschrieben:

I'd actually prefer completely replacing the current points-based system with an Elo-based system.  The points-based system rewards quantity over quality.

I've tried to contact the support regarding that issue not a long time ago, complaining about the very same issue and encouraging an Elo-system for Daily Chess Teams that also could respect relevant factors like importance of the game (tournament > friendly), number of participants and point difference that all could be reflected by K-factor changements, eventually in a similar way like this alternative Football-Team Elo-Rating:

https://www.eloratings.net/about

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It's definitely a better system.  The problem is the development time.

There's also a lot of teams that have put a huge amount of time and effort into the current system and would be unhappy with a change, but that could be handled by keeping both systems active.

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MGleason wrote:

It's definitely a better system.  The problem is the development time.

There's also a lot of teams that have put a huge amount of time and effort into the current system and would be unhappy with a change, but that could be handled by keeping both systems active.

Yes at least until it's all merged into a meaningful leaderboard that reflects what we are asking. 

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You revealed problem in Daily rankings and missed main subject. Live score is absent.

@blackfirestorm - it have nothing related to internal player leaderboard.