First of all I give credit to @wind for originally making this forum in 3 other clubs. I copied and pasted it so I have to give him credit for making this forum. Now further ado, here is what you should and shouldn't do when negotiationg
In this thread I will go over some important aspects of game negotiation, showing some things people are used to do which are not the best approach and that slow down the game negotiation process, as well as a quick negotiation example where I'll describe every part of a perfect negotiation.
First of all, let's take a look at a perfect first post done by Chess.com Coach, Top Blogger and Streamer@KingsBishop, where he followed through with all the negotiation thread instructions:
KingsBishop wrote:
@Paul_the_best_Morphy, my UTC START time availability is:
The primary thing to notice here is that@KingsBishopis interested in playing his game, hence by applying the time windows concept he considerably broadens his opponent's chances of picking a time for their game, speeding up the negotiation process at max.
Now, let's take a look at a slightly acceptable, but never ideal example of a first post:
Player wrote:
i can play Thursday 1 pm utc
This could work, but you're not helping much. You did not give your opponent any margin via your first post, so in case he replies stating that he cannot do it that time, some week time was already gone with no progress made towards getting a game played.
And finally, let's go over a first post that we see a lot and which is totally wrong, and does not count as negotiation. Even if your opponent never replies, this would be a 0f as no time was offered:
Player wrote:
hi opponent when can you play?
When you post this, you're showing no effort in getting a game, since you didn't help with posting time windows for your opponent to pick from. Posting this is pretty much the same as posting nothing at all.
Another good example of a blank post would be:
Player wrote:
hi opponent i can play anytime
Cool, you can play anytime. But if you had listed some times, your opponent could just pick from one of them, instead of having to list times himself. Again, it's about speeding up the process and reducing the time required for a negotiation. If you can play anytime, surely you can improve this one a bit as well:
Player wrote:
hi opponent i can play any day from (time) to (time) in (timezone) i'm free to play most of the time so let me know
Can you spot the difference? The first one didn't have time windows, so you'd have to wait for your opponent's times to make an agreement. The second one, however, has some of your times so your opponent can just pick from one of them and you'll have a game agreement already. Two steps instead of three. So in case anything happens and one of the players cannot show up, there's still time to try and find another time agreement for the game.
It is also important to mention that once you have listed your times, it is a fact that you are available for any of them, thus once your opponent picks from one of them the game is agreed upon, pronto. There is no need for confirmation from the first poster, even though this is good practice and noble sportsmanship. So in case you see your opponent pick from one of the times you've listed, please confirm whenever you can. If you didn't confirm, we admins are assured that you are following the thread and that you have seen the time your opponent has picked for the game. First posters have the upper-hand on the game negotiation, but also all times listed must be considered thoughtfully since their opponent can pick from any of those times and the game agreement is therefore validated.
Now, what to do when you cannot show up for your game? Here's what not to do:
Player wrote:
hi i spilled my soda so i won't be able to play sorry
That's a rather sad event, but where are your times? Can we make it better? Let's see:
Player wrote:
hi@opponentsomething happened and i won't be able to play in our agreed time. i'm available that same time on (days) and also from (time) to (time) on (days), all in (timezone) let me know if you can play in any of those or list some of your times as well.
You did it so much better this time that even your soda wouldn't dare to spill!
Last but not least, let's see both bad and good negotiation examples.
Player1 wrote: (Thursday)
hi when can u play
Player2 wrote: (Saturday)
hello i see you're online can you play now?
Player2 wrote: (Saturday)
my opponent is online and not answer !!!!
Player1 wrote: (Sunday)
i was on mobile. when can u play tell me ur times
Player2 wrote: (Sunday)
i can play 2pm
Player1 wrote: (Sunday)
i see u online now lets play
Player2 wrote: (Sunday)
i cant play now
Player2 wrote: (Monday)
i can play tomorrow 2pm
Player1 wrote: (Monday)
what is the timezone
Player2 wrote: (Monday)
sorry 2pm edt
Player1 wrote: (Monday)
i cant play this time can u do tomorrow 20:00 utc
Player2 wrote: (Tuesday)
i didnt see ur message i can play now
Player2 wrote: (Tuesday)
my opponent not answering !!!! i claim forfeit
Player1 wrote: (Tuesday)
im here lets play
Player2 wrote: (Tuesday)
no u too late its forfeit
Ok that was... not ideal. Now let's see a good one:
Player1 wrote: (Thursday)
Hello@opponent I can play any day from 12:00 to 18:00 utc. Let me know when it's good for you.
Player2 wrote: (Friday)
Hi! Let's do Saturday 15:00 utc. See you then!
Player1 wrote: (Friday)
Good! See you.
Player1 wrote: (Saturday)
Hi@opponentsorry! Something happened I won't be able to play today. I can play Sunday 15:00 to 21:00 utc or weekdays 12:00 to 14:00 utc, let me know!
Player2 wrote: (Saturday)
Let's do Sunday 15:00 then, see you!
Player1 wrote: (Saturday)
Cool, thanks!
Player2 wrote: (Sunday)
It is Sunday 15:00 UTC and I'm here for my game.
Player1 wrote: (Sunday)
Cool, let's do this!
Game played on Sunday 15:00 UTC and posted at the Results Thread.
That was good!
I believe that's all for this post. Follow these examples and avoid unclear first posts or replies and you should do good! Remember that it is all about getting a game played, so it should never become a negotiation fight. It is a chess league, not an activity contest. Finally, I'd like to ask (again) that if you're not a player from either team in a Negotiation Thread nor an admin with the sole purpose of guiding players through the process, that you please do not post there, as it disrupts ongoing negotiations and makes it more time consuming to the players that are legitimately trying to get a game time. Constant breaking of this rule could damage not only you but also your team in case you are ejected from the league.
Thank you all for reading and best of luck with your games!
Hello everyone!
First of all I give credit to @wind for originally making this forum in 3 other clubs. I copied and pasted it so I have to give him credit for making this forum. Now further ado, here is what you should and shouldn't do when negotiationg
In this thread I will go over some important aspects of game negotiation, showing some things people are used to do which are not the best approach and that slow down the game negotiation process, as well as a quick negotiation example where I'll describe every part of a perfect negotiation.
First of all, let's take a look at a perfect first post done by Chess.com Coach, Top Blogger and Streamer @KingsBishop, where he followed through with all the negotiation thread instructions:
@Paul_the_best_Morphy, my UTC START time availability is:
Friday 0000-0400
Friday 1600-2300
Sunday 0100-0400
Monday 1600-1900
Tuesday 1600-2200
Wednesday 0200-0400
Wednesday 1600-1800
Let me know
The primary thing to notice here is that @KingsBishop is interested in playing his game, hence by applying the time windows concept he considerably broadens his opponent's chances of picking a time for their game, speeding up the negotiation process at max.
Now, let's take a look at a slightly acceptable, but never ideal example of a first post:
i can play Thursday 1 pm utc
This could work, but you're not helping much. You did not give your opponent any margin via your first post, so in case he replies stating that he cannot do it that time, some week time was already gone with no progress made towards getting a game played.
And finally, let's go over a first post that we see a lot and which is totally wrong, and does not count as negotiation. Even if your opponent never replies, this would be a 0f as no time was offered:
hi opponent when can you play?
When you post this, you're showing no effort in getting a game, since you didn't help with posting time windows for your opponent to pick from. Posting this is pretty much the same as posting nothing at all.
Another good example of a blank post would be:
hi opponent i can play anytime
Cool, you can play anytime. But if you had listed some times, your opponent could just pick from one of them, instead of having to list times himself. Again, it's about speeding up the process and reducing the time required for a negotiation. If you can play anytime, surely you can improve this one a bit as well:
hi opponent i can play any day from (time) to (time) in (timezone)
i'm free to play most of the time so let me know
Can you spot the difference? The first one didn't have time windows, so you'd have to wait for your opponent's times to make an agreement. The second one, however, has some of your times so your opponent can just pick from one of them and you'll have a game agreement already. Two steps instead of three. So in case anything happens and one of the players cannot show up, there's still time to try and find another time agreement for the game.
It is also important to mention that once you have listed your times, it is a fact that you are available for any of them, thus once your opponent picks from one of them the game is agreed upon, pronto. There is no need for confirmation from the first poster, even though this is good practice and noble sportsmanship. So in case you see your opponent pick from one of the times you've listed, please confirm whenever you can. If you didn't confirm, we admins are assured that you are following the thread and that you have seen the time your opponent has picked for the game.
First posters have the upper-hand on the game negotiation, but also all times listed must be considered thoughtfully since their opponent can pick from any of those times and the game agreement is therefore validated.
Now, what to do when you cannot show up for your game? Here's what not to do:
hi i spilled my soda so i won't be able to play sorry
That's a rather sad event, but where are your times? Can we make it better? Let's see:
hi @opponent something happened and i won't be able to play in our agreed time.
i'm available that same time on (days) and also from (time) to (time) on (days), all in (timezone)
let me know if you can play in any of those or list some of your times as well.
You did it so much better this time that even your soda wouldn't dare to spill!
Last but not least, let's see both bad and good negotiation examples.
hi when can u play
hello i see you're online can you play now?
my opponent is online and not answer !!!!
i was on mobile. when can u play tell me ur times
i can play 2pm
i see u online now lets play
i cant play now
i can play tomorrow 2pm
what is the timezone
sorry 2pm edt
i cant play this time can u do tomorrow 20:00 utc
i didnt see ur message i can play now
my opponent not answering !!!! i claim forfeit
im here lets play
no u too late its forfeit
Ok that was... not ideal. Now let's see a good one:
Hello @opponent
I can play any day from 12:00 to 18:00 utc. Let me know when it's good for you.
Hi! Let's do Saturday 15:00 utc. See you then!
Good! See you.
Hi @opponent sorry! Something happened I won't be able to play today.
I can play Sunday 15:00 to 21:00 utc or weekdays 12:00 to 14:00 utc, let me know!
Let's do Sunday 15:00 then, see you!
Cool, thanks!
It is Sunday 15:00 UTC and I'm here for my game.
Cool, let's do this!
That was good!
I believe that's all for this post. Follow these examples and avoid unclear first posts or replies and you should do good! Remember that it is all about getting a game played, so it should never become a negotiation fight. It is a chess league, not an activity contest.
Finally, I'd like to ask (again) that if you're not a player from either team in a Negotiation Thread nor an admin with the sole purpose of guiding players through the process, that you please do not post there, as it disrupts ongoing negotiations and makes it more time consuming to the players that are legitimately trying to get a game time. Constant breaking of this rule could damage not only you but also your team in case you are ejected from the league.
Thank you all for reading and best of luck with your games!