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TruthMuse
tbwp10 wrote:
 

I bet the same result occurs if it were the other way around too. 😀

tbwp10
TruthMuse wrote:
tbwp10 wrote:
 

I bet the same result occurs if it were the other way around too. 😀

Lol 😆 yup

varelse1

Coincidence????

Optimissed
stephen_33 wrote:
tbwp10 wrote:

Let's not romanticize history. There are plenty of examples where scientists don't in fact do that. Scientists can be just as stubborn, pig headed and close minded as religious. That's because at root it's not a problem with science or religion, but humans.

Obedience to religious dogma is required by all who serve any religion - isn't that true?

The only thing a scientist is required to observe is the facts relating to their particular field of study. Maybe some are better at doing that objectively than others but let's not pretend there's any equivalence between the two vocations?

I tend to agree more with tbwp10. Any vocation contains a spread of personalities and all that's true is that science will have a greater proportion of truth seekers than religions, or that their version of truth seeking is more practical and based on observation. But just look at this nonsense some supposed scientists talk about "Many Worlds" or "The Big Bang". Neither are verifiable and falsifiable. Both are magical in wholly the wrong sense ... that of inducing other, supposedly less knowledgeable people, to believe them because they have reached the conclusions they've reached by looking at the evidence available.

Yes, and also by interpreting it in a skewed fashion. Confirmation bias exists in science just as much as in religions.

stephen_33

The "Many Worlds" concept is a purely speculative explanation for some of the bizarre conclusions that emerge from Quantum Theory, not some idea that scientists have come upwith because it's pleasing to them!

And "The Big Bang" was a disdainful (not particularly accurate) description invented by Fred Hoyle who utterly rejected the theory. It's now accepted because there's so much evidence to support it such a the Cosmic Background Radiation.

Suggesting these things amount to little more than 'scientific dogma' is nonsense.

Optimissed

I'm familiar with their histories, thanks. They're different but they're both dogmatic. Many Worlds is accepted as a likely explanation by a surprisingly large number of scientists or theoreticians working in the field, despite the fact that it's logically completely speculative and unfalsifiable. It also commits many more sins, such as ignoring the recommendation of parsimony in hypothesis formation.

Big Bang is VERY much dogma. Completely unproveable and there's so much evidence against it. Ignorant people imagine that "Big Bang" refers to universal expansion but what it describes is an origin of the universe that isn't steady state but is actually miraculous. Theoreticians are increasingly rejecting it and I've talked to many who believe that it's a sort of "holding theory". My son thinks it's incorrect. He, like me, thinks that the reality is steady state. He's qualified to hold that opinion and that it should be respected.

stephen_33

Believe what you will.

Optimissed

<<Suggesting these things amount to little more than 'scientific dogma' is nonsense.>>

You shouldn't think you can get away with writing something like that. Although it suggests that you're incapable of actual discussion, it also borders on being a personal attack. Do you have any particular qualifications to support your attempt to force your opinions onto others? For instance, because you're a Prime Minister or High Court judge?

TheCosmos000