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Mann means husband in german

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Let's start calling the Mann a King

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So, uh, has anyone actually tried this variant and played it with other people before making a judgement on the point values

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HappyDababa-Rider wrote:

@ChessMasterGS

Yes we are

and also alfil+ferz=2

non-royal king=2

I agree, I don’t know why people don’t know basic math these days because 1+1=2, not 3

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ChessMasterGS wrote:

So, uh, has anyone actually tried this variant and played it with other people before making a judgement on the point values

I made a Interactive diagram on chessvariants.com and these are the results about the pieces value (in centipawns):


But I completely disagree with the values of the pieces, the Value of the Knight should be higher than the man and also higher than the elephant and the rooks should be worth 5 points (or 500 centipawns), I also played some matches against AI and the knight was doing better than the man even in endgames

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Lucas1009991 wrote:
HappyDababa-Rider wrote

non-royal king=2

Non-royal king is worth 3!!! if any king is to be worth 2 it should be a royal king!!!!!

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Nyutixbrother wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
HappyDababa-Rider wrote

non-royal king=2

Non-royal king is worth 3!!! if any king is to be worth 2 it should be a royal king!!!!!

Then show me things a Non-royal king can do that a knight can’t do

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Nyutixbrother wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
HappyDababa-Rider wrote

non-royal king=2

Non-royal king is worth 3!!! if any king is to be worth 2 it should be a royal king!!!!!

The Wazir is worth 1 point, the Ferz is also worth 1 point, 1+1=2

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Lucas1009991 wrote:
Nyutixbrother wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
HappyDababa-Rider wrote

non-royal king=2

Non-royal king is worth 3!!! if any king is to be worth 2 it should be a royal king!!!!!

The Wazir is worth 1 point, the Ferz is also worth 1 point, 1+1=2

Yes, and the non-royal king is 2.

It is very slow and can easily be trapped, I might even dare to say 1.75 or even 1.5

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dude its 3 its a compound of wazir and ferz which are both 1.5 points and is great for protecting pieces and the king youre just thinking about scenarios it would be bad in instead of good too

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Lucas1009991 wrote:
Nyutixbrother wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
HappyDababa-Rider wrote

non-royal king=2

Non-royal king is worth 3!!! if any king is to be worth 2 it should be a royal king!!!!!

The Wazir is worth 1 point, the Ferz is also worth 1 point, 1+1=2

source??

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Lucas1009991 wrote:
Nyutixbrother wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
HappyDababa-Rider wrote

non-royal king=2

Non-royal king is worth 3!!! if any king is to be worth 2 it should be a royal king!!!!!

Then show me things a Non-royal king can do that a knight can’t do

It can triangulate, defend pawns really well, defend the king really well, lead in checkmating attacks, create opposition on the enemy king, be able to checkmate with one of them, etc etc

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TripodGamer wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
Nyutixbrother wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
HappyDababa-Rider wrote

non-royal king=2

It can triangulate, defend pawns, defend the king, lead in checkmating attacks, create opposition on the enemy king, be able to checkmate with one of them, etc etc

Exactly! It can even prevent Rook invasions on opened files! The non-royal king is a very useful piece!!

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TripodGamer wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
Nyutixbrother wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
HappyDababa-Rider wrote

non-royal king=2

Non-royal king is worth 3!!! if any king is to be worth 2 it should be a royal king!!!!!

The Wazir is worth 1 point, the Ferz is also worth 1 point, 1+1=2

source??

Math

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Nyutixbrother wrote:
TripodGamer wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
Nyutixbrother wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
HappyDababa-Rider wrote

non-royal king=2

It can triangulate, defend pawns, defend the king, lead in checkmating attacks, create opposition on the enemy king, be able to checkmate with one of them, etc etc

Exactly! It can even prevent Rook invasions on opened files! The non-royal king is a very useful piece!!

Okay but the knight also can block rooks controlling open files

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Lucas1009991 wrote:
Nyutixbrother wrote:
TripodGamer wrote

Okay but the knight also can block rooks controlling open files

Not really ^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Nyutixbrother wrote:
Lucas1009991 wrote:
Nyutixbrother wrote:
TripodGamer wrote

Okay but the knight also can block rooks controlling open files

Not really ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sometimes yes

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bro stop this madness theyre both worth 3 and the reason why is because theyre better in their own ways similar to how a bishop is sometimes better than a knight and a knight is sometimes better than a bishop

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Okay, I will try my hardest to accept the fact the Mann/guard and the knight are worth the same

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Lucas1009991 wrote:

Okay, I will try my hardest to accept the fact the Mann/guard and the knight are worth the same

Same, even though there not

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