Status: Declined
Reason: The position is clearly advantageous for white, a forced win for white.
✗ NCV ︱ Atomic Crazyhouse
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This was interesting, but very easy to checkmate with just a few pieces, a bishop sacrifice in the corner to gain pieces is sufficient for checkmating, even a pawn is enough if you don’t play the right moves. The addition of two non royal kings changes basically nothing, so for now this is a -1 from me
On the first look seems like very easy win for red
Apr 7, 2023
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#5
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
what is so unique about adding two non-royal kings to each side
It allows tricks where a king is not actually in check.
josephruhf wrote:
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
what is so unique about adding two non-royal kings to each side
It allows tricks where a king is not actually in check.
You can see which pieces are royal and which pieces are not so this does basically nothing
Apr 8, 2023
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#9
polito134567 wrote:
Probably winning for white with 1.f4 and 2.Qi5 or 2.Qg3.
That would be a fool’s mate.
Apr 9, 2023
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#10
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
josephruhf wrote:
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
what is so unique about adding two non-royal kings to each side
It allows tricks where a king is not actually in check.
i was talking about how you could rearrange the pieces in any other way and the game would basically be the same. the pieces don't serve any special purpose
I think I can’t use anything stronger than a non-royal king without breaking the game because of the way the Atomic rule works.
Apr 10, 2023
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#11
josephruhf escribió:
polito134567 wrote:
Probably winning for white with 1.f4 and 2.Qi5 or 2.Qg3.
That would be a fool’s mate.
It´s a forced mate.
Apr 10, 2023
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#12
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is just a forced win for white. Just bring the queen out, yellow is either forced to block with pawns or bring their own queen out, and in either case sac the queen next to black's queen and because of how atomic crazyhouse works, all exploded pieces go into white's bank, and therefore white can just place a queen next to black's king on the next move and win the game
A good enough player can prevent that strategy:
1. h5-h7 .. h10-h8
2. Qg4-i6 .. i10-i8
3. h7xi8 .. Qg11-i9
4. Qi6xQi9 .. Bj11-f7
5. g5-g6 .. Bf7xg6
6. @rQ-k6 .. g10-g8
7. Qk6xKf11 .. @yB-f7
8. Kh4-g5 .. Bf7xd5
9. @rQ-h9+ .. Kh11-g11
10. @rK-g10+#
Apr 10, 2023
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#13
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
josephruhf wrote:
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is just a forced win for white. Just bring the queen out, yellow is either forced to block with pawns or bring their own queen out, and in either case sac the queen next to black's queen and because of how atomic crazyhouse works, all exploded pieces go into white's bank, and therefore white can just place a queen next to black's king on the next move and win the game
A good enough player can prevent that strategy:
1. h5-h7 .. h10-h8
2. Qg4-i6 .. i10-i8
3. h7xi8 .. Qg11-i9
4. Qi6xQi9 .. Bj11-f7
5. g5-g6 .. Bf7xg6
6. @rQ-k6 .. g10-g8
7. Qk6xKf11 .. @yB-f7
8. Kh4-g5 .. Bf7xd5
9. @rQ-h9+ .. Kh11-g11
10. @rK-g10+#
6. @Qh10+#
Even if there is, hypothetically, no forced win, it is very clearly a position favorable for white.
My point is that “this is just a forced win for a given player from the starting position” is a bad argument against any reasonable custom variant because it requires extremely foolish opposition to make the proposed win appear “forced”.
Apr 12, 2023
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#14
josephruhf escribió:
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is just a forced win for white. Just bring the queen out, yellow is either forced to block with pawns or bring their own queen out, and in either case sac the queen next to black's queen and because of how atomic crazyhouse works, all exploded pieces go into white's bank, and therefore white can just place a queen next to black's king on the next move and win the game
A good enough player can prevent that strategy:
1. h5-h7 .. h10-h8
2. Qg4-i6 .. i10-i8
3. h7xi8 .. Qg11-i9
4. Qi6xQi9 .. Bj11-f7
5. g5-g6 .. Bf7xg6
6. @rQ-k6 .. g10-g8
7. Qk6xKf11 .. @yB-f7
8. Kh4-g5 .. Bf7xd5
9. @rQ-h9+ .. Kh11-g11
10. @rK-g10+#
And what can black play against 2.Qk6 j3 Qxk10?
Apr 12, 2023
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#15
polito134567 wrote:
josephruhf escribió:
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is just a forced win for white. Just bring the queen out, yellow is either forced to block with pawns or bring their own queen out, and in either case sac the queen next to black's queen and because of how atomic crazyhouse works, all exploded pieces go into white's bank, and therefore white can just place a queen next to black's king on the next move and win the game
A good enough player can prevent that strategy:
1. h5-h7 .. h10-h8
2. Qg4-i6 .. i10-i8
3. h7xi8 .. Qg11-i9
4. Qi6xQi9 .. Bj11-f7
5. g5-g6 .. Bf7xg6
6. @rQ-k6 .. g10-g8
7. Qk6xKf11 .. @yB-f7
8. Kh4-g5 .. Bf7xd5
9. @rQ-h9+ .. Kh11-g11
10. @rK-g10+#
And what can black play against 2.Qk6 j3 Qxk10?
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[RuleVariants "Atomic Crazyhouse EnPassant Play4Mate PromoteTo=BKNQR"]
[CurrentMove "34"]
[TimeControl "10 min"]
1. h5-h7 .. h10-h8
2. Qg4-k8 .. j10-j9
3. Qk8xk10 .. Qg11-k7
4. j5-j6 .. Qk7xk5
5. @rQ-l8 .. Ki11-j11
6. Ql8xh8 .. @yQ-l7
7. Ki4-j4 .. Ql7xh7
8. @rQ-h8+ .. @yP-h9
9. Qh8xh9 .. @yQ-h8+
10. @rP-h6 .. Qh8xh6
11. @rB-j7 .. g10-g8
12. @rQ-i7 .. i10-i8
13. Bj7xi8 .. @yQ-i8
14. i5-i7 .. Qi8xf5
15. @rQ-h8+ .. @yP-h9
16. Qh8xh9 .. @yQ-h6+
17. Kh4-i4 .. Qh6xKj4#
Apr 13, 2023
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#16
josephruhf escribió:
polito134567 wrote:
josephruhf escribió:
TheCheeseDuck wrote:
I'm pretty sure this is just a forced win for white. Just bring the queen out, yellow is either forced to block with pawns or bring their own queen out, and in either case sac the queen next to black's queen and because of how atomic crazyhouse works, all exploded pieces go into white's bank, and therefore white can just place a queen next to black's king on the next move and win the game
A good enough player can prevent that strategy:
1. h5-h7 .. h10-h8
2. Qg4-i6 .. i10-i8
3. h7xi8 .. Qg11-i9
4. Qi6xQi9 .. Bj11-f7
5. g5-g6 .. Bf7xg6
6. @rQ-k6 .. g10-g8
7. Qk6xKf11 .. @yB-f7
8. Kh4-g5 .. Bf7xd5
9. @rQ-h9+ .. Kh11-g11
10. @rK-g10+#
And what can black play against 2.Qk6 j3 Qxk10?
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[Variant "FFA"]
[RuleVariants "Atomic Crazyhouse EnPassant Play4Mate PromoteTo=BKNQR"]
[CurrentMove "34"]
[TimeControl "10 min"]
1. h5-h7 .. h10-h8
2. Qg4-k8 .. j10-j9
3. Qk8xk10 .. Qg11-k7
4. j5-j6 .. Qk7xk5
5. @rQ-l8 .. Ki11-j11
6. Ql8xh8 .. @yQ-l7
7. Ki4-j4 .. Ql7xh7
8. @rQ-h8+ .. @yP-h9
9. Qh8xh9 .. @yQ-h8+
10. @rP-h6 .. Qh8xh6
11. @rB-j7 .. g10-g8
12. @rQ-i7 .. i10-i8
13. Bj7xi8 .. @yQ-i8
14. i5-i7 .. Qi8xf5
15. @rQ-h8+ .. @yP-h9
16. Qh8xh9 .. @yQ-h6+
17. Kh4-i4 .. Qh6xKj4#
5.@Qh10#
1.h7 h8 is a forced win for white.
Timecontrol
10 minGamerules
AtomicPromotion
Bishop, King, Knight, Queen, Rook on the 8th rankNote