Status: Declined
Reason: The variant is too similar to Gothic Chess, albeit the generals do not make it better, as the very nature of the generals implies there can be very little imbalances with them, as well as these pieces being too strong for defense and offense, thus severely limiting the opening variety. We already have games like this one listed, notably Gothic Chess which shares quite a similar gameplay but in a better fashion
it like nomal chess but it have General
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"one can make a 1000 positions like this"
what does the addition of the general in those specific spots do for the gameplay?
Words fail me, but at least it gives 28 legal openings rather than 26.
Firstly, as @TheCheeseDuck noted correctly, this exact addition of the generals to the board is not particularly unique, you can place generals on any other squares and it would not change that much.
Secondly, the nature of the generals is two-fold: they're particularly strong at the offensive but also are one of the best pieces for defense. Thus any aggressive opening exposing the king is not as desirable, as generals can perform very powerful attacks by themselves, as well as as it being very difficult to win against a player who has two generals near their royal during an attack: a general can easily hold a whole flank, so a player with two generals is near to impossible to attack.
This looks like a good variant, but does not differ very much from standard. A grandmaster at chess could easily destroy in this variant.
I see no point in it being a variant because there are lots of games so similar. This has no originality.
"one can make a 1000 positions like this"
what does the addition of the general in those specific spots do for the gameplay?
Words fail me, but at least it gives 28 legal openings rather than 26.
you could swap the positions of the generals with any of the pieces on the back rank and there would still be 28 possible openings
My question is, what specific purpose does this placement have? Does it solve any major flaws that the many other possible positions have? Does it give each player more options and more strategic variety throughout the game, more "flavor"? Or are they just put here because you wanted a game with generals in them?
This placement is originally someone else’s idea. I doubt that there are that many possible positions that have the fatal flaw of an unprotected pawn due to the nature of the generals. Also, you note correctly that this exact addition of the generals to the board is not particularly unique, you can place generals on any other squares and it would not change that much since they are so short range that being in the center of the board (files d through g) doesn’t necessarily create another strategically oriented regular opening option. On the other hand, one thing I’ll say for the Hawk and Elephant, the Elephant’s Rook move necessarily creates this other strategically oriented regular opening option when it is in the center of the board (files d through g).
P. S. You are forgetting that the board has corners.
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Hmmmmm
This is my first time submitting a new custom variant, I am desperate to not have a disappointing experience.
If anybody could make a variant and get it in because it was there 1st time we would have way to many variants. I have known great variants like Dragonanga that got rejected.
If anybody could make a variant and get it in because it was there 1st time we would have way to many variants. I have known great variants like Dragonanga that got rejected.
There was a serious flaw in Dragonanga that led to it getting rejected. This variant is an attempt to boost the General (a confusing name for the piece) independently of the Hawk and Elephant, with which it appears in XXL Chess. The history of these pieces is probably more complicated than we assume, and by the history of the Fr. Pietro Carrera who originally invented them at that: https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/905615/swapping-kings-knight-chancellor-starting-setup-id
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I am pointing out the the fallacy in @joeltuininga‘s argument and counterarguing a point to this being a variant. Yes, the last part is something of a digression, but my conclusion is that even if the General is not so “sexy”, it is just as worthy of love as the Hawk and Elephant we have gotten by mistake.
hi admins can you delete like 80% of this thread? thanks
maybe like 40%, it only started becoming intentionally toxic at the end
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