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MrXX2018
Green_Sleeves написал:

I have a basic idea for a 4PC variant. It's not fully fleshed out, and I don't think it works as-is, but I was hoping to get some feedback and suggestions.

My idea is 4PC Gothic chess. Unfortunately, it seems like the board is too small for this to work. Currently, chess.com only allows for boards that are a maximum size of 14x14. This would work best with a 16x16 board size. On the current board, adding the extra two rows of pieces suddenly allows pawns to immediately start capturing on the end rows/files. Any suggestions?

 

R-0,0,0,0-1,1,1,1-1,1,1,1-0,0,0,0-0-{'noCorners':true}-
x,x,yR,yN,yB,yH,yK,yE,yQ,yB,yN,yR,x,x/
x,x,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,x,x/
bR,bP,10,gP,gR/
bN,bP,10,gP,gN/
bB,bP,10,gP,gB/
bQ,bP,10,gP,gH/
bE,bP,10,gP,gK/
bK,bP,10,gP,gE/
bH,bP,10,gP,gQ/
bB,bP,10,gP,gB/
bN,bP,10,gP,gN/
bR,bP,10,gP,gR/
x,x,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,x,x/
x,x,rR,rN,rB,rQ,rE,rK,rH,rB,rN,rR,x,x

Replace pawns with walls, maybe?

Green_Sleeves

I’d thought of that, but that would really lock the rooks in. That could really change the feel of the game.

Green_Sleeves

Is there a fairy piece that acts like a pawn, but can’t take crooked?

Green_Sleeves

I thought about maybe a setup like this, as well, but I don't know how exactly it would work, with the initial move being 2 spaces, and where the pawns promote, etc.

TheUltraTrap

How about a soldier on those files instead of a pawn? Soldiers always go forward, whether its a capture or a normal move

Green_Sleeves

Oooh, that could work. That sounds promising.

Green_Sleeves

Can soldiers move two spaces initially, like pawns?

TheUltraTrap

yes

Green_Sleeves

Awesome. I think that solves that problem.

That leaves the setup of the king, queen, chancellor, and archbishop. The issue there is the same as the difference between old standard, new standard, brsti, and brsti-invert. Should they stay the way they are, or should they be inverted for some players? I think the current way I have those pieces would work, but I don’t know.

TheUltraTrap

current way is omatamix like, should be good as its the current standard

thaichinese-cm
Green_Sleeves wrote:

Can soldiers move two spaces initially, like pawns?

All fairy pawns have the double step move.

Including the soldier.

Green_Sleeves

For anyone who wants to try testing 4PC Gothic, here's the position:

R-0,0,0,0-1,1,1,1-1,1,1,1-0,0,0,0-0-{'noCorners':true}-
x,x,yR,yN,yB,yH,yK,yE,yQ,yB,yN,yR,x,x/
x,x,yβ,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,yP,yβ,x,x/
bR,bβ,10,gβ,gR/
bN,bP,10,gP,gN/
bB,bP,10,gP,gB/
bQ,bP,10,gP,gH/
bE,bP,10,gP,gK/
bK,bP,10,gP,gE/
bH,bP,10,gP,gQ/
bB,bP,10,gP,gB/
bN,bP,10,gP,gN/
bR,bβ,10,gβ,gR/
x,x,rβ,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,rP,rβ,x,x/
x,x,rR,rN,rB,rQ,rE,rK,rH,rB,rN,rR,x,x

Green_Sleeves

I played a game with this position last night, and it seemed to work pretty well! I’m personally pretty inexperienced even with normal gothic chess, but this still seemed very natural to play.

https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/26831550/35/4

Green_Sleeves

Does anyone else want to test this position? I’d you do, please post the game link!

BeautifulGoose

I think is boring, the position is to close than standart position

ChessMasterGS
BeautifulGoose wrote:

I think is boring, the position is to close than standart position

What about 2PC Gothic Chess? How is that not too close to the "standart" position?

Green_Sleeves

My point in making this was to have a custom, new position, without it completely abandoning the theory of standard 4PC, much in the same was a 2P Gothic is supposed to bring something new to the standard setup, rather than throwing away the standard (as GS pointed out).

TheUltraTrap

yep

samuelysfung

That looks fun! Now I just need to find 3 more players to play... oh wait

chesswhizz9

to me the move just made the server more boring