@yvuvuvy thank you for your analysis!
Here I played Fe2 @Kd1 because I didn't see Fc2 @Kd1.
In the following position I played 23. d4? was because I failed to recognize the importance of the f3 pawn. I think that in this game you have to recognize which pawns are key panws for you and your opponent.
After 24 ... Ng4, I don't know how White can resist the attack without losing much material.
Kd2 will be the only way. after Kd2 Nxh2 Ke2 Ng4 e5 Fxe5 dxe5 Nxe5 Ud2 @Bb1 Ih6 @Bf8 , black is still winning with up 5 pawns for two xiangqi horse, but will got advage from black 's storng bishop. but white is also playable because two xiangqi horse (bad place).
We have a new great game.
https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71063016 (72 moves) vs @yvuvuvy. 15 | 10 time control
New tips:
I'm starting to think that maybe 2 wazirs help too much with defending.
We have a new great game.
https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71063016 (72 moves) vs @yvuvuvy. 15 | 10 time control
New tips:
I'm starting to think that maybe 2 wazirs help too much with defending.
wazir can't defense only self, because it only can defense 2 back-rank piece and it will easliy been trade or be attack. a pawn push maybe break all the defense( if defense with only a wazir.
two wazirs defense is very good,but how do you defense other-side? maybe king can defense, but you opennet's king can walk in your defense. like in this game, my idea is bring king to h5 from b8 and play a winning attack. but I found a way to trade rook so I didn't do this.
so,wazir is not that storng, and I really think two wazirs is good
I was losing in that game :}
32. Ng5! will be only way that save the postion and got the postional advange, but you play32. Sc5? instead, so I'm winning. in the picture, I'm a bit worry about his attack like 57.Ud5
but he didn't find it so I feel happy and winning. I mean, that was not "well defense", and you can play an attack on it.
The following is the move before I blundered the bishop:
@yvuvuvy When you say "32. Ng5! will be only way that save the postion and got the postional advange" you mean 32. Ng4, right?
Ud5 seems really good indeed! After that, if Black makes a random move e.g. Sa2, White can go 58. f4, attacking Black's g pawn.
If black goes 57. ... Ke7, then 58. Uc7+.
If black attacks the horse with 57. ... Ke6, White can defend with the other horse 58. Ubc3.
Some of these games can have slight differences (e.g. I've seen at least a game that has diplomacy on). Starred games are my different ones. The games with a star (⭐) are my favourite ones.
Highlights from https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71170176:
Highlighs from https://www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71170899:
Here we are on the 4th page of this variant. Let me recap the game:
Threaded Turns
In this game you start with a bunch of weak pieces on the board. Make them count.
Drop a limited number of stronger pieces during the game with the Seirawan setup.
Build your position and win the match piece by piece, or field your strongest pieces to attempt an early attack.
The royal piece is very weak, so you have to watch out at any time for sudden attacks.
You start these game with the following piece in hand, that you can drop with Seirawan rules:
The ideas behind the design
This variant is somehow analogous to chess, xiangqi, and shogi. Nonetheless, my aim was to make it feel like its own game—more precisely, like its own archaic game. From western chess it takes the pawn and the 8x8 board. From xiangqi it takes the horse and a weak royal piece. From shogi it takes a single rook and bishop. Also, the non-royal king might act similar to a shogi general.
Tentative strategy tips
These tips are debatable. Obvioulsy the game is very young so the strategy Isn't mature.
Other ideas
Variants World link
The game is currently under review on Variants World:
https://variants.world/posts/784
To play the game, I think you can just follow the Variants World link and click on "Try this variant".
Notable players
I also invite both @yvuvuvy and @Dan-kyu_System to share their strategy tips, especially with regards to the opening.
what do you think of the name emancipation. since it has some similarity to village chess, and when the pieces are moved they are "freed" peasants are promoted to higher ranks. with the addition of the stronger seirawan replacements.
what do you think of the name emancipation. since it has some similarity to village chess, and when the pieces are moved they are "freed" peasants are promoted to higher ranks. with the addition of the stronger seirawan replacements.
this variant is already have name now. It calls threaded turns.
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71696043the most brilliant end with draw!!! my opennet destory me in the middle game with his open b-file's rook attack. the bluder from I played 49.Wd6, ofter a rook trade. he accept the rook trade and lose the win postion by 50.Rxe7+??, and the game end with draw soon. he should just play 50.Ra8! keeping advange. afer this, push pawn just wins the game.
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71696613the second game I played an big attack on g-file. he played a well defend and took metrial advange. but I still have the attack chance on king-side. the bluder with 24.Rh8?? bluder mate in 2. after 25.Rxg5! sac the rook, Nxg5,26.Ng7#.
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71697388game 3.
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71697302second draw but many bluders
I would prefer if 2 wazirs were substituted with an alibaba and a sergeant, or keep one wazir and change the other. The 2 wazirs in almost all games I played are unneccecery and redundant.
I would prefer if 2 wazirs were substituted with an alibaba and a sergeant, or keep one wazir and change the other. The 2 wazirs in almost all games I played are unneccecery and redundant.
I don't think so.
First , wazirs are very important in defense. If there's no wazir, early rook+ two or more pawns attack will destory anything. and wazirs are strong when there are connect. wazirs are neccecery in defense and speicaly in closed postion.
second, If change it to sergeant, early rook attack will unstoppable. you can put it to g-file and put rook on h-file and nothing can stop them.
third, alibaba is really outplay these piece stuck in the back-rank. alibaba will never been tapped, can jump over the pieces, and have 8 move in one square. I just put alibaba and use it jump and jump, then the game will be boring.
Collect：
metrial points: wazir < dabbaba < pawn < alfil < ferz < xiangqi horse < king < knight < bishop < rook < general (promoted pawn) by rictosc ;
Wazir = pawn = alfil = ferz = dabbaba(1 point) < xiangqi horse(3 points) < king = knight(5 points) < rook = bishop(8 points)< general(12 points) by me.
strategy tip : rook is better than a bishop often, king is better than a knight often.
openning :
advance the b-c pawns to drop the rook on a semi-open file. ( by rictosc )
example game: www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71018812
c3 then c4 (if black do c6 , c5) ,then play b3 ,protect c4. and you get you xiang qi horse out to c3 and get king on c2. you are already development queen side piece and got a safe postion. then you key idea is to control the center space with d3 e3 d4 e4. (by me and rictosc)
example game: www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71170899
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71927246
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71927889
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71700374
and more.
tips by me and rictosc :
Sacrifice pieces weaker than a xiangqi horses to break a pawn chain.(even you can sac xiangqi horse to open your rook-file)
Advancing the enemy royal soldier is a positional advantage.( is a very big postional advange, important then a non-royal king sometime)
sacrificing a piece for a positional advantage can be very powerful because most pieces are short-range, and losing a piece doens't have immediate board-wide consequences.( postional is very important in this game. you can sac a king or knight to Impove your postion some time, but it need be carefuly and carefuly.)
don't open your opennet's rook-file.
don't play c,d,e,f pawn break that support by center pawn( if not support by center pawn, you can play it.)
don't waste time for no reason, don't put wazir for no rason, don't play a6,a3,h3,h6 for no reason.
never block your center pawn.
put your king to the center.
put your rook to open-file, or a semi-open file.
put horse to the out post square.
great game by me
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71927246
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71018812
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71696613
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71696043
www.chess.com/variants/custom/game/71700374
Hello everyone! Since this variant has been declined (see https://variants.world/posts/784), does anybody know who I can speak with to understand if and how I can improve this in order to have higher changes of getting this accepted?
I would like to know if there are some simple improvemets I could make without disrupting the idea behind the variant, or the very idea behind the variant wasn't liked. E.g., maybe a different time control and a different initial distribution of pieces would help, but I'd like to know before investing like a lot of time into this.
like you can change half of the setup pieces(see Delta''s Campmate) to stronger pieces and add more gamerules(see Lemonade) to make it unique,eg torpedo
Thank you. I'm writing the links for my future references, assuming I understood which variants you're referring to:
Delta's Campmate: https://variants.world/posts/900
Lemon(ade): https://variants.world/posts/1848
This variant now posted to Variants World
This has been posted to variants.world. Check it out at https://variants.world/posts/784.
Threaded Turns
You start with a bunch of weak pieces on the board. Make them count. Drop a limited number of stronger pieces during the game. Build your position and win the match piece by piece, or field your strongest pieces to attempt an early attack. The royal piece is very weak, so you have to watch out at any time for sudden attacks.
This variant is in some ways analogous to chess, xiangqi, shogi, etc. but my aim was to make it feel like its own game. More precisely, like an archaic game. From FIDE chess it takes the pawn and the 8x8 board. From xiangqi it takes the horse and a weak royal piece. From shogi it takes a single rook and bishop; also, the non-royal king might act similar to a shogi general.
Tentative strategy tips:
* wazir < dabbaba < pawn < alfil < ferz < xiangqi horse < king < knight < bishop < rook.
* for an aggressive opening advance the b-c pawns to drop the rook on a semi-open file.
* sacrifice pieces weaker than a xiangqi horses to break a pawn chain.
* advancing the enemy soldier is a positional advantage.
* a simple answer to early attacks: deploy a king.
* if your opponent is cramped, don't open his position.
* play the long game, then sacrifice your pieces to deliver checkmate.
To test the game, going to https://variants.world/posts/784 and clicking on Try this variant should do. Let me know what you think!