PRIZE TOURNAMENTS UNFAIRNESS!!

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Well, there are Prize tournaments in Chess Variants on Chess.com, where you can get am Membership-Prize e.g. Platinum or Emerald Variant. As you play in these, you often play against 1800-2000 rated Elo players who have 200IQ strategies to win. But honestly, it isnt a BIG problem. The BIG problem is, because they are good, they can farm a LOT of wins on new Players, which means that if you even are good though, (1600~) you haven't a chance to win against them and the new players are often scared of the tournaments because of often unfriendly and too good players. So the tournaments are kinda only made for them, not for normal 4PC players. That is sad and can constantly remove the fun of playing different variants and etc. because the Variants Community isn't doing anything against that at all, ’cause technically, it isn't cheating at all, it is just better tactics and that stuff’ but we all know what is going on. 

BUT: I'm not only complaining, I have an idea which could the tournaments alive and fair to all rating rangers again. Well, the simplicity is the enemy of complexity. The Variant community can just add rating ranges. 100-500, 500-100, 1000-1500, 2000-2500, 2500-3000 and 3000-3500. It isn't about doing differnt Tournaments, it is about adding a barrier, if a 1200 elo player wants to play in a tournament, but there is an 1800 Elo rated one, then he should wait until another rating-ranged player appears. Next point is, to do little adverting of Variants and Prize tournaments. I guess, at least 2500 people here don't know that something like that even existed. It can be simple reminders in that club or creating forums in the outside.

I really hope, that someone who can change things or who could give this letter to an 4PC Variant worker would respond or help me. This isn't bait to get Views or I don't know what, it is a real problem. 

P.s. if you have any Ideas then write it here too.

Thanks for reading and hopefully responding and sorry that I did it so long. MossStoneIM 

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The main problem with these suggestions is:

a) Variants simply don't have the popularity to afford to not let players play games, and

b) Chess.com simply doesn't care enough about variants enough to implement any QoL.

c) In the end, arenas come down to whoever can spend more time on it. It's usually between few contenders (*cough @wizardrunner and @gardent490) who can afford to spend the time. If you're really keen on winning the rank, I'd recommend you take a few hours out of your schedule. It isn't how it should be, but as things stand, that's the best way to win. Especially if you believe you have greater skill than those dominating the leaderboard, because streaks matter. If you can break their streak, they will gain less points.

d) Arenas aren't catered towards new players: it's either to allow a variant to gain popularity or allow experienced players to try their hand at using their skill for a possibly monetary benefit. Most new players will likely (unfortunately) leave the tournament after losing one game, but hopefully some will go on to play the variant later.


Honestly, this is a valid suggestion and one I am sure would be smart to implement only if we had more players playing in the arenas, which will only happen if it gains more advertising, which will only happen if chess.com cares enough about variants to make it happen

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Also on a somewhat unrelated note if you want to play in the tournament with a high-rated player who knows what they're doing, feel free to send me a ping lol

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@VarostTheFlail is right on a lot of this, but just wanted to add some more context as the person who started (revitalized, to be exact) the Golden Variant / Platinum Variant stuff. Other than the procurement of prizes, though, everything related to Golden Variant is fully ran by the NCV Testers and CGAs. For any questions, always feel free to directly message me; at least for the time being, we’re not as busy as an actual staff member at Chess.com, so we do try to respond as quickly as possible as long as the message isn’t spam or anything.

We could potentially add a U1700 (or something like that) side event, although whether Chess.com will approve those for prizes is not something that I am aware of at the moment. The problem is that Variants is really not as popular as you think it is, so breaking up the arenas into sections will likely just hurt the player-base more as games seeks will become harder to fill up (so instead of being crushed, you just won’t get a game at all a lot of the time). Where exactly to set rating ranges is a difficult question itself, and it’s something that clubs like the official Improvers club also definitely has issues with.

On the topic of advertising events, we already do that with our monthly post in this club and through word of mouth, but we could certainly try to post more about it in notes more often. Currently (believe it or not), this is very likely the most active variants-related club on the site, even more so than 4PC and Variants combined, so other than through the server news announcements (the bell icon in the server), there’s not many other places we can get players. We very often get over 500-1000 players in each arena, which is not bad at all, considering even people who do see our announcements aren’t obviously guaranteed to play. Feel free to suggest alternatives or additional ideas, though.

(P.S., only Platinum Variant gives prizes, Emerald Variant doesn’t do that (yet, maybe?))

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ChessMasterGS написал:

@VarostTheFlail is right on a lot of this, but just wanted to add some more context as the person who started (revitalized, to be exact) the Golden Variant / Platinum Variant stuff. Other than the procurement of prizes, though, everything related to Golden Variant is fully ran by the NCV Testers and CGAs. For any questions, always feel free to directly message me; at least for the time being, we’re not as busy as an actual staff member at Chess.com, so we do try to respond as quickly as possible as long as the message isn’t spam or anything.

We could potentially add a U1700 (or something like that) side event, although whether Chess.com will approve those for prizes is not something that I am aware of at the moment. The problem is that Variants is really not as popular as you think it is, so breaking up the arenas into sections will likely just hurt the player-base more as games seeks will become harder to fill up (so instead of being crushed, you just won’t get a game at all a lot of the time). Where exactly to set rating ranges is a difficult question itself, and it’s something that clubs like the official Improvers club also definitely has issues with.

On the topic of advertising events, we already do that with our monthly post in this club and through word of mouth, but we could certainly try to post more about it in notes more often. Currently (believe it or not), this is very likely the most active variants-related club on the site, even more so than 4PC and Variants combined, so other than through the server news announcements (the bell icon in the server), there’s not many other places we can get players. We very often get over 500-1000 players in each arena, which is not bad at all, considering even people who do see our announcements aren’t obviously guaranteed to play. Feel free to suggest alternatives or additional ideas, though.

(P.S., only Platinum Variant gives prizes, Emerald Variant doesn’t do that (yet, maybe?))

Yes, Emerald does give Prizes now

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Emerald has never given prizes, I’m literally the guy who organizes the arenas and I said that we might have prizes for it in the future if possible

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That makes sense now, thanks!

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um is 2070 a right rating for entering a 4pc tournament or need 2500 at least?

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It's unfair if you are just starting chess and trying to have some fun and you just get wrecked.

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67 = bad

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noobs

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jjmastersensei wrote:

noobs

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@jjmastersensei STOP POSTING RANDOM STUFF ON THIS THREAD because it’s not helpful in this case pls and thanks:)…

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chessmath_1 wrote:

It's unfair if you are just starting chess and trying to have some fun and you just get wrecked.

On one hand, yeah it's hard. But on the other hand, the only way to learn is to fail along the way. Some of the variants are actually very fun once you've learned the basic concepts and tactics.

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ChessMasterGS написал:

Emerald has never given prizes, I’m literally the guy who organizes the arenas and I said that we might have prizes for it in the future if possible

As you are the guy, might there be some changes in the future?

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And something that I never really understood: WHY are no Variants in the chess app? Like, a lot of people are using the app, I'm sure if the variants wouldn't be so hidden in the website and would be in the app, there would be more people playing daily

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MossStoneIM wrote:

And something that I never really understood: WHY are no Variants in the chess app? Like, a lot of people are using the app, I'm sure if the variants wouldn't be so hidden in the website and would be in the app, there would be more people playing daily

Because, like I said, chess.com doesn't care enough about variants to want to give resources and manpower to its development

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Can you do something against that?

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MossStoneIM wrote:

Can you do something against that?

yeah hey @qilp can you do something about that?

(5 bucks says the answer is 'no')

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@qilp is not a mobile developer lol