Second Seirawan Game

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12. Bxb5+

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I'm guessing that was a conditional move, so:

1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E)14. Hxe8

I'm not sure that was to my advantage, but it's certainly turning into an interesting game.

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E) 14. Hxe8 Ke8 15. O-O

Sorry, haven't played snail mail correspondence since I was in high school.

While I do enjoy sharper chess and it's more active nature due to the added powerful pieces, I prefer Fischer random. My problem with chess isn't so much the power level, but the openings. Even in correspondence where I don't have to worry as much about openings (because I can use a database), I feel like someone else is playing the first part of the game. Perhaps even more so, because I end up using the established lines longer. But in FRC, I have to figure things out from the first move, so I'm the one playing the game the whole time.

You get some of that in sharper chess, because there is no established opening theory yet. But if you got it on chess.com, there would be no reason not to have a database and a game explorer, and opening theory would start to become established.

Also, as a programmer I would say that sharper chess would be harder to implement than FRC. The latter requires a semi-random set up (dead easy to program) and some tweaks to the castling algorithm. Sharper chess would require programming pieces that move differently (not too hard, since they combine existing piece moves) and the addition of the concept of dropping pieces. The last bit is completely new and requires not just changes to the code running in the background, but to the interface between the program and the player.

Of course, if you could convince Erik to add sharper chess, it would be dead easy to combine the two and have sharper random chess. Increased tactics and defense against opening memorization.

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E) 14. Hxe8 Ke8 15. O-O Ba6 16. Re1

I think the main issue would be keeping track of the pieces off the board, which is not done at this time. There are probably other ones, but I'd need a better understanding of the internals of chess.com's programming to be sure.

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E) 14. Hxe8 Ke8 15. O-O Ba6 16. Re1 Hf6 17. c3

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E) 14. Hxe8 Ke8 15. O-O Ba6 16. Re1 Hf6 17. c3 Rd8. 18. Ee3

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E) 14. Hxe8 Ke8 15. O-O Ba6 16. Re1 Hf6 17. c3 Rd8. 18. Ee3 Bc5 19. Eg4

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It would take 2 turns for your hawk to go to g4. You can't do it all at once!

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I've been playing based on the board posted on the first page, so I was assuming the hawk was on c6. Looking back, obviously Robert is correct, and it was on f6.

Robert, would you be willing to restart from the position after 16 ... Hf6?

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Yes, the game should start from there, as I apperently had made a mistake in the diagram and move list some how.

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I put all the pieces back where they should be, so it is now time for ichabod801 to make his 18th move.

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Whoah there, oinquarki. Robert's playing the game too. Let him have some input on what happens.

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Yes, of course we won't continue the game this way without Robert knowing. But I think that starting the game from before the mistake was made is the logical thing to do. And unless Robert objects, this is what is going to happen. Correct?

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E) 14. Hxe8 Ke8 15. O-O Ba6 16. Re1 Hf6 17. c3 Rd8 18. Ee3

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E) 14. Hxe8 Ke8 15. O-O Ba6 16. Re1 Hf6 17. c3 Rd8 18. Ee3 Rd3 19. Ec2

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E) 14. Hxe8 Ke8 15. O-O Ba6 16. Re1 Hf6 17. c3 Rd8 18. Ee3 Rd3 19. Ec2 Bd6 20. Be3

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1 e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6(H) 3. Bc4 (H) e6 4. Nc3 a6 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. He2 Ne4 8. Nxe4 d5 9. Nxc6 Hxc6 10. Bb3 de 10. Qxd8(Ed1) Hd8 11.Ba4+ b5 12.Bxb5+ ab 13. Hb5+ Ke7 (E) 14. Hxe8 Ke8 15. O-O Ba6 16. Re1 Hf6 17. c3 Rd8 18. Ee3 Rd3 19. Ec2 Bd6 20. Be3 Hg4 21. g3

And I believe that's a hawk on g4, not a knight.

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And I could have sworn I put a hawk there!Surprised

It is fixed now.Smile

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Resign.

Well played, Robert.

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Wow! Nice combination!