Suggestion: Draw in notation

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Like the title says, maybe draw offers could be added in the notation, like FIDE uses (=) after the move I believe.

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Good idea. I agree.

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👆👆 good idea

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Someone brought this up before. I personally don't get it. Why does it matter? 

 

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jdcannon wrote:

Someone brought this up before. I personally don't get it. Why does it matter? 

 

Turn me into a believer  

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Is there such a thing as abusing of draws offer? It certainly happens. Adding it no the notation would help to keep a track on it.

I think it also adds to the narrative of a game. Imagine Naka vs some other big shot in the speed championship or the pro chess league. Naka draw offer is declined, but then he goes on to win the game. Wouldn’t it be nice for any chess analyst to have that info in the notation?

Im not saying this is a critical enhancement, but I definitely see the value on it.

Food for thought...

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You can disable draw offerers if someone offers too many. 

Avatar of Batman565

How?

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Like others have mentioned it would be interesting to see when analyzing a game when a a draw was offered, especially to see and evaluate if it really was drawing or just believed to be drawing.

With games with very short time control, in order to disable it, you still need to move the mouse a long distance and pay attention to something else where every hundredth of second could be the difference between winning or losing so it would also help track if someone is spamming draws in an obviously losing position. But mostly to have a more complete story of the game and to see at what point a draw was offered, especially like FedeBau said when the one declining it ended up losing

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look where the notation is supposed to be when someone offers a draw; underneath the accept/decline buttons you can click to disable draw offers for the game

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@Chessbovine: Making a move will automatically reject a draw.

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@jtang2018 yeah, I know, but it's still distracting, and in order to disable it, you need to pay attention to it and make a "big" mouse motion, which can cost you quite some time in a bullet game.

Isn't the chess etiquette that you shouldn't offer a draw again until after the player who declined offered you one in return and you declined, or it's an obvious known drawn position? Maybe one shouldn't be able to offer a draw in succession in the first place, since there isn't really a reason to offer a draw more than once if you play legitimately, no need to offer one again unless you opponent declined, then later offered a draw and you declined and after more moves you think it's a draw after all.

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Thanks @Typewriter44.

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Chessbovine wrote:

@jtang2018 yeah, I know, but it's still distracting, and in order to disable it, you need to pay attention to it and make a "big" mouse motion, which can cost you quite some time in a bullet game.

Isn't the chess etiquette that you shouldn't offer a draw again until after the player who declined offered you one in return and you declined, or it's an obvious known drawn position? Maybe one shouldn't be able to offer a draw in succession in the first place, since there isn't really a reason to offer a draw more than once if you play legitimately, no need to offer one again unless you opponent declined, then later offered a draw and you declined and after more moves you think it's a draw after all.

When someone offers you a draw, there is an option to not show all draw offers for this game.

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tiqueleague hat geschrieben:

How?

Typewriter44 discribed it. There is a button that appears below the draw offer for not showing any more draw offers this game, but the point is that it's still distracting and takes time away when in bullet those lost few seconds can be decisive and there is never a need to offer a draw five times or even twice in a row.
But the actual point was that it would be nice to have a more complete story of a game when you go back and revise it or look at GM games and can see when draw offers were made and evaluate why, etc

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Some people might not WANT all their games to have a record. If you really want that, do it yourself.

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There is an archive of the game anyways, so everyone has a record and FIDE has draw offer notations. I don't see how having it there affects anything negatively but if people do not want draw offers in the archive, maybe a button could appear when a draw is offered to add it to the notation similar to the one to not show them again and the option to have them always be noted to later revise it. I'm not going to remember or have time for that in a fast game

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Chessbovine wrote:

There is an archive of the game anyways, so everyone has a record and FIDE has draw offer notations. I don't see how having it there affects anything negatively but if people do not want draw offers in the archive, maybe a button could appear when a draw is offered to add it to the notation similar to the one to not show them again and the option to have them always be noted to later revise it. I'm not going to remember or have time for that in a fast game

After the game, have a button saying "Show draw offers"?