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Theistic Evolution -- Should Christians consider Evolutionary Creationism?
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Jul 11, 2019
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Destroyer942 wrote:
In any case, in the discussion we had a couple days ago Jay, you stated that you don't believe light existed 10,000 years ago. You also stated that matter didn't exist either. So I will attempt to build a simple logic chain, and you can tell me where I'm wrong. Light travels at right about 300,000km/s. Assuming light only existed 6,000 to 7,000 years, it could only have traveled 6,000 to 7,000 light years. This means that anything further then 7,000 light years would be invisible, because light has not traveled to us from that source yet. Do you agree with everything I've just said?
Their latest attempt to prop up their Young Universe conspiracy, is to say that light travelled faster 6.000 years ago, and has gradually slowed down over the years.
Jul 11, 2019
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#204
JayHunterBrickwood wrote:
But what if the stars and things aren't really all that far away?
Then you would need to find some way to cram 150 million galaxies we have charted so far (and there are surely more) into a sphere only 6,000 light years in radius.
And then you will have a model.
Until then, Young Earth remains just another internet conspiracy theory.
Aug 6, 2019
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#205
JayHunterBrickwood wrote:
All I know is there was an evening and a morning after each day.
In what time zone
It is always morning somewhere.
And always evening somewhere as well.
Our planet is in a perpetual state of morning and evening.
They never quit.
Yes but that is a literal day, not a thousand years.
So you don't believe in a literal Adam then? Or a literal fall of man?
varelse1 wrote:
JayHunterBrickwood wrote:
But what if the stars and things aren't really all that far away?
Then you would need to find some way to cram 150 million galaxies we have charted so far (and there are surely more) into a sphere only 6,000 light years in radius.
And then you will have a model.
Until then, Young Earth remains just another internet conspiracy theory.
Actually Young Earth is a commonly held beleif among many Christians. And has been.
The Bible's science has been ahead of "modern" science many times.
Apr 6, 2020
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#208
Well I was all set to disagree with that last sentence. Then I remembered Big Bang was a Creationist theory.
So guess I can't.
Actually it was first conceived by a Roman Catholic bishop.
JayHunterBrickwood wrote:
Yes but that is a literal day, not a thousand years.
So you don't believe in a literal Adam then? Or a literal fall of man?
Apr 6, 2020
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#211
Not literal at all, no.
The evidence for a 13B year old universe is just overwhelming at this point.
Which is kinda cool in a way.
It mean 13B years, of God at work.
12.6 billion years of death before sin.
Why does Paul talk about a non-literal Adam sinning and a literal Jesus dying to pay the fine for sin?
Apr 6, 2020
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#213
varelse1 wrote:
https://biologos.org/common-questions/why-should-christians-consider-evolutionary-creation
Evolution is a challenging subject to consider in light of biblical faith, so it is often easier to ignore or reject it than to engage in meaningful discussion about the topic. Yet considering evolutionary creation has important benefits for Christians both in our relationship with the Creator, and in our relationships with other people—both believers and non-believers.
First, Christians should study evolution because, like all the natural sciences, it is the study of God’s creation. Creation itself is a complementary revelation to what God has communicated through Scripture, and through the created order God shows how and when he brought about the life we see today—to his honor and glory. The regular patterns in nature that we call natural laws have their foundation in the regular, faithful governance of God. Thus we believe that God created every species and did it in such a way that we can describe the creation process scientifically. The scientific model of evolution does not replace God as creator any more than the law of gravity replaces God as ruler of the planets.
This still a topic you care to talk about?
Apr 8, 2020
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#214
JayHunterBrickwood wrote:
12.6 billion years of death before sin.
Why does Paul talk about a non-literal Adam sinning and a literal Jesus dying to pay the fine for sin?
Because it wasn't Adam's sin Christ was really paying for.
It was yours and mine.
Apr 8, 2020
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#215
TruthMuse wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
https://biologos.org/common-questions/why-should-christians-consider-evolutionary-creation
Evolution is a challenging subject to consider in light of biblical faith, so it is often easier to ignore or reject it than to engage in meaningful discussion about the topic. Yet considering evolutionary creation has important benefits for Christians both in our relationship with the Creator, and in our relationships with other people—both believers and non-believers.
First, Christians should study evolution because, like all the natural sciences, it is the study of God’s creation. Creation itself is a complementary revelation to what God has communicated through Scripture, and through the created order God shows how and when he brought about the life we see today—to his honor and glory. The regular patterns in nature that we call natural laws have their foundation in the regular, faithful governance of God. Thus we believe that God created every species and did it in such a way that we can describe the creation process scientifically. The scientific model of evolution does not replace God as creator any more than the law of gravity replaces God as ruler of the planets.
This still a topic you care to talk about?
Very much so, yes.
varelse1 wrote:
JayHunterBrickwood wrote:
12.6 billion years of death before sin.
Why does Paul talk about a non-literal Adam sinning and a literal Jesus dying to pay the fine for sin?
Because it wasn't Adam's sin Christ was really paying for.
It was yours and mine.
Romans 5:14
“Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”
1 Corinthians 15:22
“For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.”
1 Corinthians 15:45
“And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.”
Why would the Lord have a literal Adam in the geneaology of Jesus if he wasn't actually real?
Luke 3:38
“Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.”
Apr 9, 2020
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#220
varelse1 wrote:
TruthMuse wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
https://biologos.org/common-questions/why-should-christians-consider-evolutionary-creation
Evolution is a challenging subject to consider in light of biblical faith, so it is often easier to ignore or reject it than to engage in meaningful discussion about the topic. Yet considering evolutionary creation has important benefits for Christians both in our relationship with the Creator, and in our relationships with other people—both believers and non-believers.
First, Christians should study evolution because, like all the natural sciences, it is the study of God’s creation. Creation itself is a complementary revelation to what God has communicated through Scripture, and through the created order God shows how and when he brought about the life we see today—to his honor and glory. The regular patterns in nature that we call natural laws have their foundation in the regular, faithful governance of God. Thus we believe that God created every species and did it in such a way that we can describe the creation process scientifically. The scientific model of evolution does not replace God as creator any more than the law of gravity replaces God as ruler of the planets.
This still a topic you care to talk about?
Very much so, yes.
The thing about the scriptural creation account is, it doesn't change, its written down and it is what it is. What is the evolutionary creation account?
In any case, in the discussion we had a couple days ago Jay, you stated that you don't believe light existed 10,000 years ago. You also stated that matter didn't exist either. So I will attempt to build a simple logic chain, and you can tell me where I'm wrong. Light travels at right about 300,000km/s. Assuming light only existed 6,000 to 7,000 years, it could only have traveled 6,000 to 7,000 light years. This means that anything further then 7,000 light years would be invisible, because light has not traveled to us from that source yet. Do you agree with everything I've just said?