Theistic Evolution -- Should Christians consider Evolutionary Creationism?

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Benjibass
varelse1 wrote:
Guineaster wrote:

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1

Fair enough.

Which brings us to the question, when did He create them?

Right now, all the evidence says He did it, about 13.8 billion years ago.

Then it says on the first day, second day, third day, etc... Until the seventh day, when he said he rested...

Guineaster

And how can it be PROVED that those fossils go back that far?

Benjibass

EXACTLY??

varelse1
trump2020maga1 wrote:
 

It totally contradicts Darwin. Next time you read Genesis pay more attention.

I am glad you brought this up. Because here is somebody else who has ready Genesis. 

Namely, 15,044 ordained Christian Ministers.

Every one of which, has signed an open letter, endorsing Evolution as a valid Scientific possibility.

http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Christian_Clergy/ChrClergyLtr.htm

 

Benjibass

https://christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c007.html

Benjibass

https://lutherwasnotbornagaincom.wordpress.com/2018/04/18/silly-evolutionists-radioactive-dating-is-unreliable/ 

PetecantbeatmeSLFL
varelse1 wrote:
Guineaster wrote:
Destroyer942 wrote:
Guineaster wrote:

"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1

But it doesn't say evolution didn't occur does it?

If you keep reading, it says though that God created HUMANS, not evolving MONKEYS. 

Which again brings us to the question, when?

The earliest Hominid fossils found so far, date back to 2.8 million years ago.

I heard someone had a dinosaur bone so he got it dated but he did not tell them it was a dinosaur bone. It got a very young age.

Benjibass

https://answersingenesis.org/age-of-the-earth/dating-methods/ 

varelse1
varelse1 wrote:
trump2020maga1 wrote:
 

It totally contradicts Darwin. Next time you read Genesis pay more attention.

I am glad you brought this up. Because here is somebody else who has ready Genesis. 

Namely, 15,044 ordained Christian Ministers.

Every one of which, has signed an open letter, endorsing Evolution as a valid Scientific possibility.

http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Christian_Clergy/ChrClergyLtr.htm

 

Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

varelse1
varelse1 wrote:
varelse1 wrote:
trump2020maga1 wrote:
 

It totally contradicts Darwin. Next time you read Genesis pay more attention.

I am glad you brought this up. Because here is somebody else who has ready Genesis. 

Namely, 15,044 ordained Christian Ministers.

Every one of which, has signed an open letter, endorsing Evolution as a valid Scientific possibility.

http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/Christian_Clergy/ChrClergyLtr.htm

 

Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

Which brings us to the $64,000 dollar question: Why should I believe Trump2020maga1, and reject the word of 15,044 ordained Christian Ministers??

PetecantbeatmeSLFL

It's not me i want you to believe, it's God

Guineaster
trump2020maga1 wrote:

It's not me i want you to believe, it's God

Believing in God gives Christians a better life because we know we can trust in him.

PetecantbeatmeSLFL

The bible says there will be many false teachers

varelse1
Guineaster wrote:

And how can it be PROVED that those fossils go back that far?

Attacking the dating methods of all these PhD geologists would have more validity, if all those transitional fossils did not keep popping up in the geologic ladder, precisely as Evolution predicts they would.

varelse1
trump2020maga1 wrote:

The bible says there will be many false teachers

So is Ken Ham one?

varelse1

And for the record, none of those 15,044 Ministers, have any vested interest in building a waterpark.

Ham does.

Benjibass

believing the word of a bunch of dumb ordained ministers, does not prove anything, they have just gone astray, like God predicted!!!!

PetecantbeatmeSLFL
varelse1 wrote:
trump2020maga1 wrote:

The bible says there will be many false teachers

So is Ken Ham one?

No. I haven't heard about him saying anything contradicting the scriptures 

PetecantbeatmeSLFL
Benjibass wrote:

believing the word of a bunch of dumb ordained ministers, does not prove anything, they have just gone astray, like God predicted!!!!

Exactly 

Benjibass

Read my links  varelse, i dare you to..... And then talk,