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Sebu13 wrote:

I was able to play this classic endgame trick in my game, unfortunately I lost on time afterward.

wow, is this supposed to be a draw or what ??

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Masky_Chess wrote:
Sebu13 wrote:

I was able to play this classic endgame trick in my game, unfortunately I lost on time afterward.

wow, is this supposed to be a draw or what ??

That was just a technique/trick. White is winning if he pushes his own pawn instead of moving his king

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ninjaswat wrote:

#498 after f4, there's gxh5+, so white was still winning I think.

I completely missed that, because of the King's positioning it does not even work

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from an Eric Rosen stream

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cegalleta wrote:

from an Eric Rosen stream

Visualisation is what you need to spot these!

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Calculation/positional exercise, is f4 a good move or a blunder? What would be a good plan for white if not f4? Who is better?

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The King is already unsafe and f4 is even more weakening, specially because after the knight moves the pawn is attacked by his bishop. I would try to centralize my rook on a1 to safeguard my king and get that juicy e file. So Qc2 Re1 and then try to activate the Bishop on b2. You cannot start an attack in the current position as your pieces are stuck in the corner of the board. With the rook on e1 and the Bishop's vision opened an attack is much more likely to succeed.

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there's only 1 good knight move for black though, in all others white wins, you have to find the concrete refutation. Qc2 is fine, along with hxg6 with ideas of playing c4 and opening up the bishop. The main take away is that f4 weakens e3 and there's a way to exploit that

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cegalleta wrote:

there's only 1 good knight move for black though, in all others white wins, you have to find the concrete refutation. Qc2 is fine, along with hxg6 with ideas of playing c4 and opening up the bishop. The main take away is that f4 weakens e3 and there's a way to exploit that

f4 knight moves and the he is threating to fork

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DividingCart27 wrote:
cegalleta wrote:

there's only 1 good knight move for black though, in all others white wins, you have to find the concrete refutation. Qc2 is fine, along with hxg N6 with ideas of playing c4 and opening up the bishop. The main take away is that f4 weakens e3 and there's a way to exploit that

f4 knight moves and the he is threating to fork

knight moves where?

Nd7 loses to 1. hxg6 fxg6 2. Ne6 (!!), Nc6 loses to Bxg4 and white has a crushing kingside attack

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cegalleta wrote:
DividingCart27 wrote:
cegalleta wrote:

there's only 1 good knight move for black though, in all others white wins, you have to find the concrete refutation. Qc2 is fine, along with hxg N6 with ideas of playing c4 and opening up the bishop. The main take away is that f4 weakens e3 and there's a way to exploit that

f4 knight moves and the he is threating to fork

knight moves where?

Nd7 loses to 1. hxg6 fxg6 2. Ne6 (!!), Nc6 loses to Bxg4 and white has a crushing kingside attack

Nf3 blocking the bishops sight

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DividingCart27 wrote:
cegalleta wrote:
DividingCart27 wrote:
cegalleta wrote:

there's only 1 good knight move for black though, in all others white wins, you have to find the concrete refutation. Qc2 is fine, along with hxg N6 with ideas of playing c4 and opening up the bishop. The main take away is that f4 weakens e3 and there's a way to exploit that

f4 knight moves and the he is threating to fork

knight moves where?

Nd7 loses to 1. hxg6 fxg6 2. Ne6 (!!), Nc6 loses to Bxg4 and white has a crushing kingside attack

Nf3 blocking the bishops sight

Rook has to take and then the queen infiltrates going to h4. I don't think white can survive after that because there is mate on h1

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DividingCart27 wrote:
DividingCart27 wrote:
cegalleta wrote:
DividingCart27 wrote:
cegalleta wrote:

there's only 1 good knight move for black though, in all others white wins, you have to find the concrete refutation. Qc2 is fine, along with hxg N6 with ideas of playing c4 and opening up the bishop. The main take away is that f4 weakens e3 and there's a way to exploit that

f4 knight moves and the he is threating to fork

knight moves where?

Nd7 loses to 1. hxg6 fxg6 2. Ne6 (!!), Nc6 loses to Bxg4 and white has a crushing kingside attack

Nf3 blocking the bishops sight

Rook has to take and then the queen infiltrates going to h4. I don't think white can survive after that because there is mate on h1

Maybe Rg3 stopping mate but you just take the rook and you're up material still having an attack. I think Nf3 deserves triple exclam !!!

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cegalleta wrote:

Calculation/positional exercise, is f4 a good move or a blunder? What would be a good plan for white if not f4? Who is better?

f4 is the worst move you can play in this position. Just take the pawn on g6 and go c4. I can see some sacrifices coming up leading to mate as maybe nxf5 after that!

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DividingCart27 wrote:
cegalleta wrote:
DividingCart27 wrote:
cegalleta wrote:

there's only 1 good knight move for black though, in all others white wins, you have to find the concrete refutation. Qc2 is fine, along with hxg N6 with ideas of playing c4 and opening up the bishop. The main take away is that f4 weakens e3 and there's a way to exploit that

f4 knight moves and the he is threating to fork

knight moves where?

Nd7 loses to 1. hxg6 fxg6 2. Ne6 (!!), Nc6 loses to Bxg4 and white has a crushing kingside attack

Nf3 blocking the bishops sight

exactly! This is the only move, Nf3, if Rxf3 Qh4 is crushing indeed. It was important to find this sequence to evaluate f4.

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found this interesting endgame concept in a game I was expectating, the players agreed to a draw but there was a direct way to convert, which was interesting to see

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looks like a sideline in a lucena position #517

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cegalleta wrote:

found this interesting endgame concept in a game I was expectating, the players agreed to a draw but there was a direct way to convert, which was interesting to see

The winning idea is really easy to spot. I don’t know why White agreed to a draw.

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Masky_Chess wrote:
cegalleta wrote:

found this interesting endgame concept in a game I was expectating, the players agreed to a draw but there was a direct way to convert, which was interesting to see

The winning idea is really easy to spot. I don’t know why White agreed to a draw.

White kept playing Ra8 and repeated moves, he wasn't aware of the concept of a lucena bridge but did notice the stalemate trap, thought he couldn't move the king and thus couldn't win. It was between 2 <1,000 elo players. It was interesting to see a theoretical endgame position on a live board though, so thought about posting it