what is your opinion about me @AkitoClaw XD

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AkitoClaw wrote:
SioncePatLilly wrote:

I don't know about the Yasukuni Shrine, though. I don't know what that is. But it is true, you don't seem to admit or fully recognize the horrible actions of imperial Japan, and that is why I said what I said.

Good for you I'm not going to disagree with you said But also It's kind of not really fair If I'm basically raised into Believing Ideas like imperial Japan is the best version of Japan, but also it seems like you both are very focused in the past and not really the present, kind of very contradicting don't you think

You say that during the present day you were raised to believe Imperial Japan did the right thing, and in the present day there is still no acknowledgement or apology and that's the problem. Compare that to a country like current Germany which has learned to take responsibility and acknowledge the mistakes of their past.

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HeisukeKogami wrote:

My reason is simple, you don't seem to admit or fully recognize just how horrible Imperial Japan was. It was in no way less than the Holocaust, just to show how horrible and abhorrent the actions of Imperial Japan were. The Chinese and Korean people have absolute reason (tho not correct, but still reasonable) to hate the Japanese xd. also the Yasukuni shrine should've been destroyed a long time ago...or at least those Class As removed... yea that's about it.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so that's why my dad is beefing with japanese people (he's chinese) he also didn't let me watch anime at some point... and when i cosed as nezuko, i think he lost it....

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That's probably why, I can't think of any other reason

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yh...but when i asked my other chinese friends whether their parents/grandparents are beefing abt japan, they said no and looked really puzzled

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hmm, I am going to say this only once, the creation of Japan was bloody and no one ever talk about that in the mainstream and also believe what you want to believe in, but the Imperial Japan were honorful samurais who died thanks to Allied forces and it was not fair for America to bomb us like that, they caused pain to many and no one here has never said that because it is unpopular idea but no country is perfect and that is final, please take this to dm's if you want to try to convince me

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let me ask you this, if another war were to happen involving japan, and you were the leader, would you choose to make those same actions?

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grey_cookie wrote:

let me ask you this, if another war were to happen involving japan, and you were the leader, would you choose to make those same actions?

no, i would have ended it before it started by either avoiding war or be in the good faiths of the gods and fight it out in honor of Japan

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yk sometimes, not everything goes the way it was planned, im sure you know that

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my opinion about Akito is that he is an understanding and gentle soul. but for the political stuff I'll say this. every country has innocent blood on their hands regardless of if it was justified or not. also, imperial Japan was bombed by America but Japan struck America first and first to kill civilions and soldiers alike .

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AkitoClaw wrote:
HeisukeKogami wrote:

My reason is simple, you don't seem to admit or fully recognize just how horrible Imperial Japan was. It was in no way less than the Holocaust, just to show how horrible and abhorrent the actions of Imperial Japan were. The Chinese and Korean people have absolute reason (tho not correct, but still reasonable) to hate the Japanese xd. also the Yasukuni shrine should've been destroyed a long time ago...or at least those Class As removed... yea that's about it.

I really would love to destroy you right now, but oh well the Yasukuni shrine stays and no Class As can be removed, but I let this go thanks to the kindness in my heart, also I cannot stay mad for long, not my style and you are an friend so you win this one

Well you cannot possibly destroy me as much as you can destroy yourself if you attempt to defend this matter. Yasukuni shrine should, absolutely without doubt, be eradicated from both the map and the annuals of history. Japan should fully recognize the extreme inhumanity they displayed during those 50 bloody years and in particular WWII. While I do fully agree with you that the atomic bombings were also a grave war crime on behalf of the US, being the victim at the end does not and will not cover any single bit of the detestable things Imperial Japan perpetrated against China, Korea, Taiwan, Myanmar, Philippines, Indonesia, and in lesser extent India, Thailand, Netherlands, United States, Britain, and Russia. Thank you for your kindness, and I do not wish to destroy your forum by leading the topic astray and disproving your views, but if you wish to debate this matter we can take it to another forum.

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SioncePatLilly wrote:
HeisukeKogami wrote:

My reason is simple, you don't seem to admit or fully recognize just how horrible Imperial Japan was. It was in no way less than the Holocaust, just to show how horrible and abhorrent the actions of Imperial Japan were. The Chinese and Korean people have absolute reason (tho not correct, but still reasonable) to hate the Japanese xd. also the Yasukuni shrine should've been destroyed a long time ago...or at least those Class As removed... yea that's about it.

That was my exact reason too.

LOL I didn't think so xD we are friends lol

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@HeisukeKogami about the shrine i disagree because even though what it represents is bad it should stay at least in history books because it shows previous mistakes so it could help Futcher leaders settle things through peace not war.

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AkitoClaw wrote:
SioncePatLilly wrote:

I don't know about the Yasukuni Shrine, though. I don't know what that is. But it is true, you don't seem to admit or fully recognize the horrible actions of imperial Japan, and that is why I said what I said.

Good for you I'm not going to disagree with you said But also It's kind of not really fair If I'm basically raised into Believing Ideas like imperial Japan is the best version of Japan, but also it seems like you both are very focused in the past and not really the present, kind of very contradicting don't you think

Ok so firstly forgive me for debating and destroying you on this issue, and with that out of the way, let's get into it. While you being taught completely wrong history is not your fault, and it is more relatable and forgivable for you having such views, that doesn't mean it's not wrong. It is every person's responsibility to continually seek truth, and correct any misunderstandings in their lifetime. You may have different life philosophies, but I think we can all agree that truth, instead of emotions, is what matters most.

"very focused in the past and not really the present"
If we never look back on history to extract valuable lessons, would we really ever evolve? Isn't that the whole point of history? So, what good does it do to be taught wrong history and improve using a wrong guidebook? Also, what has been done could be done again. If you are talking about Article 9 of the Japanese constitution, yes if a country is shown capable of exhibiting such extreme degrees of inhumanity, they should be limited in order to prevent it from easily happening again. On this point I also believe Germany should've been made to include such an article, although the geopolitical landscape of their time in that area might not be possible. Additionally, it is hard to deny that Imperial Japan was worse than Nazi Germany in terms of cruelty, death toll, and refusal to repent, but slightly less in terms of ideology (at least not proven).

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grey_cookie wrote:
HeisukeKogami wrote:

My reason is simple, you don't seem to admit or fully recognize just how horrible Imperial Japan was. It was in no way less than the Holocaust, just to show how horrible and abhorrent the actions of Imperial Japan were. The Chinese and Korean people have absolute reason (tho not correct, but still reasonable) to hate the Japanese xd. also the Yasukuni shrine should've been destroyed a long time ago...or at least those Class As removed... yea that's about it.

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so that's why my dad is beefing with japanese people (he's chinese) he also didn't let me watch anime at some point... and when i cosed as nezuko, i think he lost it....

damn I think he should keep it to politics, instead of restricting anime 😂unless that anime is japanese nationalist, but I don't think any is. The important thing it to distinguish between a country and a culture. While the country (and in extension, the imperialism, nationalism, and colonialism) is detestable, the culture and people are absolutely not and should not be discriminated against in any way. After all most Japanese people admit the atrocities even if the government won't.

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AkitoClaw wrote:

hmm, I am going to say this only once, the creation of Japan was bloody and no one ever talk about that in the mainstream and also believe what you want to believe in, but the Imperial Japan were honorful samurais who died thanks to Allied forces and it was not fair for America to bomb us like that, they caused pain to many and no one here has never said that because it is unpopular idea but no country is perfect and that is final, please take this to dm's if you want to try to convince me

The colonial expansion of Western powers were in no less degree atrocious, but Japan, subjected to that unfair treatment, developed into the worst shape possible.

Also, "honorable samurai": The bushido code specifically highlights the importance of absolute loyalty and obedience to your daimyo, and in the Meiji era, Emperor. So when the Emperor allows or even promotes inhumanity, yes they were honorable samurais by the definition, but mindless parts of an atrocious machine in actuality. And again I state my agreement with you on the matter of the bombings, atomic bombings were not needed and in sacrificing a small amount of soldiers on both sides, the same result (end of war and peace) could be achieved without mass civilian casualties. Also again sorry but I feel the urge and need to respond to and correct any misinformed or biased views, so here I am xD.

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AkitoClaw wrote:
grey_cookie wrote:

let me ask you this, if another war were to happen involving japan, and you were the leader, would you choose to make those same actions?

no, i would have ended it before it started by either avoiding war or be in the good faiths of the gods and fight it out in honor of Japan

The second option speaks for itself. Exactly the same as the countless (originally) innocent soldiers, who, under the relentless brainwashing of loyalty and obedience, died committing atrocities.

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good person

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watterbottl wrote:

my opinion about Akito is that he is an understanding and gentle soul. but for the political stuff I'll say this. every country has innocent blood on their hands regardless of if it was justified or not. also, imperial Japan was bombed by America but Japan struck America first and first to kill civilions and soldiers alike .

Pearl Harbour is not comparable to what Japan did to China Korea and the rest of Asia. This is another problem I see with many Americans, they also don't learn history and thought Pearl Harbor was an atrocity, actually even if it was it's still not remotely comparable to what Japan have been doing to China and Korea for over 50 years.

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watterbottl wrote:

@HeisukeKogami about the shrine i disagree because even though what it represents is bad it should stay at least in history books because it shows previous mistakes so it could help Futcher leaders settle things through peace not war.

Ok so honoring class A war criminals is good or acceptable in your opinion? The Yasukuni shrine specifically honors the generals and admirals of Imperial Japan, many of which convicted of Class A war crimes and still others, committed class A war crimes but died during the war and never convicted, and treat them as national heros.

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sebas1228 wrote:

good person

lol true and bro absolutely did not care about what's happening above xD