We will on the variants server.
Why aren't WoFs listed?
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Feb 22, 2022
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#4
grable wrote:
We will on the variants server.
Hahaha... just remember to feature my WoFs
/sarcasm
MRBLKN Navigation by MRBLKN
The Dungeon Guardians by Tails204
The Great Filter by Heeyyyyy
Zombie Apocalypse by angelo_5113
The Knights Templar by BoxJellyfishChess
The Final Level by EnterGame
Mountain Party by Tima1705
The Hedge Maze by CorrespondingCat and ChessBoy20153
King of the Cyclone by 4Player-Pug
〚〛by grable
Candy World by qilp
Bishop War by chye4w
Mathletics Cup by chye4w
Discount Double-Check by grable
Dance of the Grasshoppers by qilp
Amazons by Tails204
Generals Puzzle by qilp
The Running Rook by ChessBoy20153
Fortune Pawns by TheChessDude991
Green Invasion by qilp
ↈ by qilp
Amazon Safety by cuber4130
The Treasure Chest by RedFastMath
Antispinner by qilp
Fairy War by S_Srinivas
Stagey Warehouse by RedFastMath
The Full Darkness by qilp
Lone King War by TheChessDude991
The One Ring by qilp
Dancing with the Moonlit Knight by EnterGame
Queen and Knight by FastQueenAttacker
Catching the Loose Horse by ChessDemon732
Do Not be Captured by atomized_you
T by qilp
Anti-Leader by ChessBoy20153
Checkers 2.0 by stupnik
King of Escape by roy_soham
Dead Knight Spiral by Johnny_Fang
Xbox One by DarkKnightRisesV2
DIY Maze by noahfavelo
Escape the Light by Cyprian2206
Pac-Man by TheChessDude991
King Rivalry by noahfavelo
OGTL's Army Control by OGTenseLime
Jumpers by Cyprian2206
The Great Wave by shadowarcher28
Get the Hill! by Johnny_Fang
Earth Maze by Cyprian2206
The Destination by 26rchen
Rook Takes by alexandermatos
Survive the Center by penguinyhamster
Amazon Prime by shadowarcher28
Survival Box by Baabaa_sheep
Combat in the Bunker by 26rchen
Leapfrog by BoxJellyfishChess
Rando Attack! by Johnny_Fang
Gnu Zombie Invasion by REVONN1
Solar Eclipse by BoxJellyfishChess
Amazon by Cyprian2206
Jungle Apprentices by 26rchen
The Flash by ila12345
Wait for Mate by IntelligentChessOwl8
Permafrost by BoxJellyfishChess
Death Race by angelo_5113
Royal Sacrifice by Luzukilu
Insect Infiltration by Baabaa_sheep
I am Blue by stupnik_2_0
The Sea of Monsters by Cyprian2206
King Eat by 1389pouria1389
1D Chess by stupnik_2_0
Escape of Wazirs by Automaton_Dragon
Attack from 3 Sides by Cyprian2206
Chase the Royal by kevinmiles2
2 Players, 5 Squares by stupnik_2_0
The Anti-Kings by kevinmiles2
The Knights Cavern by kevinmiles2
Trebuchet by shadowarcher28
Crazy Pawns by PRIYANSHU1015
Interstellar by kevinmiles2
Insane Battle by home163
The Hawk Hunters by JCHYPRO
⌶⌶ by Cyprian2206
The SuperNova by kevinmiles2
Bot Mates by 1389pouria1389
LazerMaze by noahfavelo
The Fairy Spinner by kevinmiles2
Inside the Horror Night by roy_shoumyajit
Fields of Gold by EnterGame
Crimson Cascade by kevinmiles2
Escape Police by stupnik_2_0
Metro by BsrtitheChallengerCW
Excalibur by Cyprian2206
Chamber of Executioners by bsrti
Rush of Rooks by kevinmiles2
L by kevinmiles2
Gridlock by stupnik_2_0
Rainbow Factory by stupnik_2_0
The Temple War by kevinmiles2
Red Light by ChessMasterGS
Rising Skeletons by Python_nerd7
Army of berolina by BeautifulGoose
The Treasure Map by bsrti
Privileged Royals by Night-Rider_chess8987
Ludo by stupnik_2_0
Battle of Ambassadors by bsrti
Evacuation by ChessMasterGS
Determination by bsrti
Dead Man's Chest by bsrti
Complex Simplicity by
Frigid Lanes by bsrti
Cloud
The Lottery by chye4w
The Western War
The Green Goblin
I hope that helps!
PS: That was the Fandom Index
Remember to list Bishop War, Mathletics Cup, The Lottery, Crazy Pawns, Dancing with the moonlit Knight and the Western War (Red colour = MY WOF)
Alright, let's assume that we list 110+ Wheels of Fortune everyone can easily play at any moment in time. Now, let's think again of it: what is the idea to have a special tournament being able to be played whenever one wants to play it? Most WoF players have multiple favourite WoFs, so why just not play something else they like or join another WoF queue they like instead of joining the tournament? The idea of having WoFs listed in a manner of easy access and even more of it, being listed as variants just depreciates the whole idea of WoF.
Furthermore, having WoFs played constantly means players will figure out the best strategies way faster, leading WoFs to lose their interest by a great deal. Do you really want this? I oppose this idea.
Feb 23, 2022
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#10
bsrti wrote:
Alright, let's assume that we list 110+ Wheels of Fortune everyone can easily play at any moment in time. Now, let's think again of it: what is the idea to have a special tournament being able to be played whenever one wants to play it? Most WoF players have multiple favourite WoFs, so why just not play something else they like or join another WoF queue they like instead of joining the tournament? The idea of having WoFs listed in a manner of easy access and even more of it, being listed as variants just depreciates the whole idea of WoF.
Furthermore, having WoFs played constantly means players will figure out the best strategies way faster, leading WoFs to lose their interest by a great deal. Do you really want this? I oppose this idea.
My main concern is that so many newly submitted WoFs are just completely copied because people looking to make WoFs have no easy way of seeing what already has been done (whereas for NCPs, you can scroll through list without clicking, WoF index is cumbersome and you have to click on each individual one to see what it is).
As for the strategies of WoFs being figured out too quickly, I don't really agree. Who would spend their time trying to figure out strategies for WoFs? Not rating farmers, since it would be casual, and the average player looking to have fun will probably not be as analytical as you or me; they probably would not put much effort, if any at all, into strategic optimization.
I do not believe this would affect the regular WoF rotation, which is all about competition and finding tricks to win quickly. Besides, all the good WoFs have some element which makes figuring out the best strategies problematic, whether it be randomness, innate complexity (note that what you find simple, others may find complex. For instance, do you think the average player could figure out WoF - []?), or high potential for multiple players sabotaging each other. If some shallow WoFs (*cough* *cough* Lone King War *cough* *cough*) are unable to run anymore, great.
Remove Lone King War because Green can't win or at least turn Green into a random zombie.
BoxJellyfishChess wrote:
My main concern is that so many newly submitted WoFs are just completely copied because people looking to make WoFs have no easy way of seeing what already has been done (whereas for NCPs, you can scroll through list without clicking, WoF index is cumbersome and you have to click on each individual one to see what it is).
Now let's imagine there is a very trivial way of accessing any WoF you would like to play at any moment. Would this simplify WoF creation? Definitely. However, let's assume today is my semi-favourite WoF running Royal Sacrifice but meanwhile, there is a more favourite WoF of mine being run as a queue. Was it to happen that an average player is me, would I join the more favourite WoF rather than the semi-favourite one? This depreciates WoF's popularity by a great deal.
As for the strategies of WoFs being figured out too quickly, I don't really agree. Who would spend their time trying to figure out strategies for WoFs? Not rating farmers, since it would be casual, and the average player looking to have fun will probably not be as analytical as you or me; they probably would not put much effort, if any at all, into strategic optimization.
Now let's assume that qilp joins into the queue and all of a sudden plays a move that wins by force, and the beginner then memorises it. The intermediate players keep the line in their memory whilst everyone else who they play against might also remember it if they have decent skill. Congratulations, sooner or later all WoFs but super-complex ones will be considered shallow for at least 15+ players, and the remaining ones will be too complex to understand for beginners or too luck-based. Apparently, the meaning of WoF - is to be winnable by beginners and be exciting? A lot of time will be needed for this to happen, but it will happen sooner or later if anyone can access it easily.
I do not believe this would affect the regular WoF rotation, which is all about competition and finding tricks to win quickly. Besides, all the good WoFs have some element which makes figuring out the best strategies problematic, whether it be randomness, innate complexity (note that what you find simple, others may find complex. For instance, do you think the average player could figure out WoF - []?), or high potential for multiple players sabotaging each other. If some shallow WoFs (*cough* *cough* Lone King War *cough* *cough*) are unable to run anymore, great.
If you do not like the Lone King war, what about one thousand players who play it? Why on this earth do they need to play some other WoF they like less instead of playing their fabulous, irremediably awe-inspiring Wheel of Fortune with 4 kings? Have you thought about this aspect? Compare 2-3 players at most playing and searching for WoF queue with 30+ players.
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I will accepted that bsrti and boxjellyfishchess is correct
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Feb 24, 2022
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#14
@bsrti
I think you are overestimating how popular this feature will be, and underestimating how lazy 4PC players are. WoFs would only be visible to those who filter for it, and queues would probably be as slow as Arena of Feet.
Feb 24, 2022
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#15
BoxJellyfishChess wrote:
queues would probably be as slow as Arena of Feet
Here's another reason not to list WoFs.
Either way, the popularity and laziness you're talking about isn't worth the negative consequences of losing the essence of the WoF rotation. Moreover, the popularity you mentioned is, unfortunately, temporary. Sooner or later, the list will turn into a garbage dump of 200 positions with rarely filling queues of different positions, and interesting and exciting positions will remain without players as the positions will simply be learned whether you like it or not, become boring and annoying.
So although the idea of listing all WoFs is really cool, in the long run it intends to completely ruin the WoF rotation, as well as the interest in it and WoFs in general.
P.S. As for the index of existing WoFs and the current inefficient implementation of it – we already have the solution, coming soon!
Why don't you list the best wof's: Mathletics Cup, Pac Man, [ ] and more. One of my favourites is Crazy Pawns.
NOT LONE KING WAR
Feb 24, 2022
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#18
chye4w wrote:
Why don't you list the best wof's: Mathletics Cup, Pac Man, [ ] and more.
Obviously because they are best in only your opinion.
No, massive wave of players in these tournaments.
Feb 25, 2022
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#20
qilp wrote:
BoxJellyfishChess wrote:
queues would probably be as slow as Arena of Feet
P.S. As for the index of existing WoFs and the current inefficient implementation of it – we already have the solution, coming soon!
This is my main request; I don't like that new WoF authors have no idea whether their concept is original. Listed positions can be hovered over to see the position, so if an index with screenshots and gamerules existed, there would be no need for WoF to be listed.
Title. It would take less than 15 minutes to create a new filter "WoF" and list all the WoFs there (not on any of the NCP lists or filters). Not only would this let people play WoFs while not in rotation (which is already somewhat accomplished by the WoF index (somewhat because it is pretty awkward to use), people looking to create WoFs could easily scroll through the positions and see what the positions look like without clicking once, both to get ideas and to make sure they aren't just recasting another position. A sizable portion of WoFs I see submitted are just not original, not because they are copied, but because the position author probably didn't see the WoF which already had that concept.
TLDR: We have WoF index, but it's inefficient, why don't we list WoFs