That "philosophical position" is precisely what rescued the Western World from the Dark Ages, and catapulted it into the Age of Reason.
Anybody looking to undermine this position, (to prop up their conspiracy theories or whatever,) is jeopardizing not only the education system, but the continued existence of the Western World itself.
That "philosophical position" is precisely what rescued the Western World from the Dark Ages, and catapulted it into the Age of Reason.
Anybody looking to undermine this position, (to prop up their conspiracy theories or whatever,) is jeopardizing not only the education system, but the continued existence of the Western World itself.
Delusional much?
Nah, if you know anything about V1 then you'll know that @varelse1 is one of the sanest around (plus, V1's the keeper of the One Ring, so I wouldn't mess w/if I were you)
What stopped the dark ages is the violent use of force against the stranglehold the Catholic organization had over European governments. I’d even say the success of the American Revolution had a bit to do with the diminished hold the powers that be held over the minds, bodies and hearts of the European people’s. To say it was the “philosophical position”, whatever that is, is grabbing glory for a belief system which it doesn’t deserve.
Which of the popes was it that you believe had an epiphany and said “Hey fellas’, let’s stop burning people alive for disagreeing with us or for simply saying I’m not infallible. I’ve philosophically changed my mind. I think I’ll release my control over all the European governments that are terrified of what I’ll do if they step out of line. No more inquisitions, wadda’ ya say, guys?”.
The Dark ages were not saved by philosophy and to say that my teeny blasphemy against the “philosophical position” will lead to the elimination of the Western world is (yes, I think I’ll stand by this one) delusional.
@Kjvav Well, not *delusional*--you and @varelse1 simply disagree. However, I do agree w/you to the extent that the "Dark Ages" truly have been given a bad rap. See, for example: 6-reasons-the-dark-ages-werent-so-dark
I don’t know the real reason why the Dark Ages are called that, I’ve seen a number of explanations. The one I like (you’ll be so surprised) is that they are called the dark ages because the Light of the World, Jesus Christ, the Living Word, was kept from the people for a thousand years by the Catholic organization. I’m speaking of their forbidding of laymen to posses or even read the Word of God in their native tongues. Translators and translations were burnt and truth (light) was suppressed.
According to 6-reasons-the-dark-ages-werent-so-dark the "Dark Ages" were so named by Renaissance scholars who were biased towards ancient Rome and viewed Rome as the pinnacle of human achievement, and the Middle Ages as a departure from this ideal.
Strange, because Rome had Europe in a thousand year strangle hold during the dark ages. It wasn’t a “departure from Rome”, it was the zenith of her power.
Hence the "bias" part, I presume
That "philosophical position" is precisely what rescued the Western World from the Dark Ages, and catapulted it into the Age of Reason.
Anybody looking to undermine this position, (to prop up their conspiracy theories or whatever,) is jeopardizing not only the education system, but the continued existence of the Western World itself.
Delusional much?
Not as much as some, apparently.
Nah, if you know anything about V1 then you'll know that @varelse1 is one of the sanest around (plus, V1's the keeper of the One Ring, so I wouldn't mess w/if I were you)
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I don’t know the real reason why the Dark Ages are called that, I’ve seen a number of explanations. The one I like (you’ll be so surprised) is that they are called the dark ages because the Light of the World, Jesus Christ, the Living Word, was kept from the people for a thousand years by the Catholic organization. I’m speaking of their forbidding of laymen to posses or even read the Word of God in their native tongues. Translators and translations were burnt and truth (light) was suppressed.
Why is it called the Dark ages?
where to begon?
this s is a period where the Western (Christian) World rejected Reason, in favor of Mysticism.
while the Arab (islamic) World did the opposite. Reaching it's golden age.
As a result of this brilliant decision, the Western World found itself constantly out-matched, technologically, politically, and militarily. The Arabs were given almost free reign, to take what they wanted.
Among the things Christianity lost in this period:
Then came the Age of Reason, and Christianity's enemies suddenly found they were not such the push-over they once were.
Now many want to once again embrace Mysticism, and repeat the same mistakes we made 1,000 years ago.
I would vote to give that one a miss, myself.
I don’t know the real reason why the Dark Ages are called that, I’ve seen a number of explanations. The one I like (you’ll be so surprised) is that they are called the dark ages because the Light of the World, Jesus Christ, the Living Word, was kept from the people for a thousand years by the Catholic organization. I’m speaking of their forbidding of laymen to posses or even read the Word of God in their native tongues. Translators and translations were burnt and truth (light) was suppressed.
Why is it called the Dark ages?
where to begon?
this s is a period where the Western (Christian) World rejected Reason, in favor of Mysticism.
while the Arab (islamic) World did the opposite. Reaching it's golden age.
As a result of this brilliant decision, the Western World found itself constantly out-matched, technologically, politically, and militarily. The Arabs were given almost free reign, to take what they wanted.
Among the things Christianity lost in this period:
Then came the Age of Reason, and Christianity's enemies suddenly found they were not such the push-over they once were.
Now many want to once again embrace Mysticism, and repeat the same mistakes we made 1,000 years ago.
I would vote to give that one a miss, myself.
Have to disagree with you on this one. Certainly a common stereotype that everyone seems to repeat, but a false one. Christianity did not reject reason. That simply isn't true. Monasteries promoted education and literacy. The Medieval period produced some of our most famous philosophical thinkers like St. Thomas Aquinas, Anselm, Ockham. And while Europe did not experience the technological leaps the Islamic world did during this time, it wasn't stagnant but experienced steady progress and advances, such as technological inventions that revolutionized agriculture. 
Where do you get your history from, the Russel Crowe Robbin Hood movie? The Western world embraced mysticism and the East rejected it? Islam rejected mysticism, seriously? And there were no scientific discoveries in the West and the East exploded with science. And not only that, it is the reason the Middle East is Islamic? Nothing to do with a hallucinogenic, serial rapist, murderous pedophile named Muhammad? I’m learning so much.
You seem very emotional. You are correct to the extent that during this time Islam largely spread due to "the sword"/violent conquest, but v1 is also absolutely correct about the explosion of technological/scientific advances that absolutely outpaced the West. Many advancements and great thinkers were produced, including the Muslim philosopher Al-Ghazali (who William Lane Craig credits the underpinnings of his "Kalam Cosmological Argument" for the existence of God to).
My statements are emotional, but V’s statements are not wild and unfounded assertions? Emotional how, because I typed a few things in bold to emphasize the point of the sentence?
You seem emotional over the fact that I said "you seem very emotional." If you're not, you're not. No need to get emotional about it.
Wow! You've convinced me (not really). And you really shouldn't misrepresent Walton. Not cool. He doesn't *criticize* scripture. Apparently you don't know what exegesis is. You also continue to avoid the main issue here that again if you want to convince non-Christians in this forum that scientific consensus on evolution is wrong then you're not going to persuade on the basis of Christian belief, but need to support with science.
Good job. Really helpful. And persuasive. I'm sure you've convinced everyone now (you should have led with this)