What about the prepare for your opponent feature as well, is that any good?
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solomonben wrote:
Arctor wrote:
Having played around a bit with Chess King, I have to warn that it is most certainly not one to use as a database program. The games don't open in a seperate window, meaning you can only have one open at a time. There's no option to search games by position, no playerbase, no statistics etc....it's really only good for finding games you already know. It is a nice touch to have the players pictures above the game though and you can enter images for those without them.
However, it is a really good playing/training program. I particularly like the fact that you can easily adjust the engines strength, the positional hints you can turn on when playing (see images) and how it's so easy to export diagrams. Also the fact that it comes bundled with Houdini 2 and the Giga King and Corr databases (5 million+ games) makes it an absolute bargain imo.
I have chess king too, but I think maybe they sold us different versions, just for making fun of us! I do have the feature look for game by position, but I don't have all those menus you show in the picture, like safe control over squares! How do you access those?
The problem is that there is not a manual, and you have to look at each different menu to see what changes.
Yes thanks, I've found it now, it's in the menu. The positional factors are in the hints menu on the left hand side when playing a game. There is an online manual here: http://www.chessok.com/doc/ChessKing/WebHelp/index.html
It seems I also overlooked the opening statistics that are available in the game viewer window. Obviously it still doesn't have the range of database functions available in chessbase but the playing/analyzing options make up for that. Fantastic program for the price
One problem I have with SCID is that it doesn't support chessbase format files and has a 2gb limit for pgn files
keeganomahoney wrote:
What about the prepare for your opponent feature as well, is that any good?
The prepare for opponent feature simply shows the success rate that player has with different moves from the position currently on the board
Arctor wrote:
solomonben wrote:
Arctor wrote:
Having played around a bit with Chess King, I have to warn that it is most certainly not one to use as a database program. The games don't open in a seperate window, meaning you can only have one open at a time. There's no option to search games by position, no playerbase, no statistics etc....it's really only good for finding games you already know. It is a nice touch to have the players pictures above the game though and you can enter images for those without them.
However, it is a really good playing/training program. I particularly like the fact that you can easily adjust the engines strength, the positional hints you can turn on when playing (see images) and how it's so easy to export diagrams. Also the fact that it comes bundled with Houdini 2 and the Giga King and Corr databases (5 million+ games) makes it an absolute bargain imo.
I have chess king too, but I think maybe they sold us different versions, just for making fun of us! I do have the feature look for game by position, but I don't have all those menus you show in the picture, like safe control over squares! How do you access those?
The problem is that there is not a manual, and you have to look at each different menu to see what changes.
Yes thanks, I've found it now, it's in the menu. The positional factors are in the hints menu on the left hand side when playing a game. There is an online manual here: http://www.chessok.com/doc/ChessKing/WebHelp/index.html
It seems I also overlooked the opening statistics that are available in the game viewer window. Obviously it still doesn't have the range of database functions available in chessbase but the playing/analyzing options make up for that. Fantastic program for the price
One problem I have with SCID is that it doesn't support chessbase format files and has a 2gb limit for pgn files
Thanks, I think I'm leaning towards chess king but just one more question, you say it doesn't have all the database functions chessbase has, but what exactly are the functions chessbase has that chess king doesn't? Thanks
I'd be here all day explaining why CB is superior to CK as a database program but I'll let them tell you instead
etc.
I like the board and pieces better in CK though.
At present there is no one program that does everything. CK looks like it is better at publishing games and blogs than CB.
Arctor wrote:
I'd be here all day explaining why CB is superior to CK as a database program but I'll let them tell you instead
etc.
Ah ok thanks, I get what you mean now.
solomonben wrote:
chessoholicalien wrote:
I like the board and pieces better in CK though.
At present there is no one program that does everything. CK looks like it is better at publishing games and blogs than CB.
I love CK, but: when I published a game with comments, they were quite under with the text of the moves, and couldn't be read like here in chess.com when you actually go to the next move in a window. If I'm not wrong, I have seen people publishing using CB and the chessboard is on the left side and the comments on the right, so it is possible to read them at the same time. Maybe some of the folks with CB can confirm or deny.
I haven't even figured out how to annotate in CK yet...
thanks!
If I was to but chessbase and chess king would it be possible to import the database from chess king to chessbase and use that as my main database rather than buying chessbase and big 2012?
solomonben wrote:
keeganomahoney wrote:
If I was to but chessbase and chess king would it be possible to import the database from chess king to chessbase and use that as my main database rather than buying chessbase and big 2012?
I watched all the videos posted on CB, plus some more, and I'm sorry to tell you that I would not buy CB, because it is clearly an outdated product. I really cannot understand why the CB programmers couldn't improve it in all these years, notice we are at version 11! Buy Fritz it makes the same thing CB does, and gives you full auto analysis.
I also believe CA is better than CB, and it has Fritz's functions too!
CB mega DB is not the same of CK database, numbers are similar quality of the games is different.
I'm sure the games aren't the exact same but surely most of them are the same.
Jan 3, 2012
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CB's big "win" over CA has not been in database capability but in the interface design. CA looks and feels like an old, bad, win3.1 program more than a piece of modern software, while CB looks and feels smooth and modern.
However, when it comes to database functionality, CA far outpaces CB. The CQL integration in CA means that you can do queries there that are simply not possible to do in CB -- and in a database the ability to do complex queries is the whole point!! Any engine interface can pull up all the games by Kasparov. But very few can find all the games by GM's in which a player of either color sacrificed a knight, stayed down that much material for at least 10 moves and finally won a bishop and two pawn versus bishop and knight endgame.
CB can't do that query. CA can.
If CK is integrating the same query engine, then the CA people have really upped the ante with ChessKing. If, however, it's just another Aquarium, then they really haven't changed the game any and the choices really remain CB for people for whom looks and video training are important, and CA for people who want to do complex queries.
So then does anybody know if it's possible to transfer the database from CK to CB?
I did like some of the features in those videos especially the ones that do up the reports on openings/players
Jan 3, 2012
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keeganomahoney wrote:
So then does anybody know if it's possible to transfer the database from CK to CB?
If CK can save to PGN, then "Yes." CB, unlike CA, does not have a lot of support for proprietary formats other than their own.
Kingpatzer wrote:
keeganomahoney wrote:
So then does anybody know if it's possible to transfer the database from CK to CB?
If CK can save to PGN, then "Yes." CB, unlike CA, does not have a lot of support for proprietary formats other than their own.
Ok thanks
So overall do people think chessbase is worth the money?
Nah, the free Scid does everything most people need.
Posted a comparison between different programs:
http://blog.chess.com/view/what-is-the-best-of-them-all
But not Chess King. Not tested yet. Its features as presented here look attractive, though. On my friend's enquiries the company informed that the Chess King database does not have ready made annotations. This could be a drawback. But it might have other redeeming virtues. More feedback may be needed.
surely if there's a database with over 5 nillion games it gives you the win percents on each move.
Yes, it does give you that.