I don't know if this is the type of set that was used in London during the WCC2000, but I think it comes very close.
There are so many variations with the queens… This set was bought in 1993 in France.
153/5 Antiqued, with his false twins
But do you think the pieces used in the WCC 2000 were size 8? For me it has no sense that they were not size 6...
@Fer8799 - I take these two photos. The one on the left I'm sure is a size 6. On the right, WCC 2000.
In both photos he's holding a pawn.
When I match the two images on the size of the pawn, this is what I get
And when I adjust them to the size of the hand… no more doubt. Either way, it makes sense that the right deck is a size 5.
et voilà :-)
Quite interesting Walter, thanks for this interesting exercise!!!
Anyway, photos sometimes are a bit tricky. I still can't belive that players accepted to play with a number 5, and the FIDE/Chavet didn't offer them a nº6 first.
I guess that it is imposible to ask Chavet to clarify this mistery..., anyway, thanks so much!!
Quite interesting Walter, thanks for this interesting exercise!!!
Anyway, photos sometimes are a bit tricky. I still can't belive that players accepted to play with a number 5, and the FIDE/Chavet didn't offer them a nº6 first.
I guess that it is imposible to ask Chavet or someone involved in the match to clarify 100% this mistery..., anyway, thanks so much!!
About WCC2000 size 5 and Kramnik 😇 #8
Anout WCC2000 size 5 and Kramnik 😇 #8
Sure it is not a size 8!! but between 5 and 6..., I cannot be 100% sure with the info that we have. Probably some english guys involved is this match could know. From the Fischer-Spassky to Nepo-Ding matches, I don't remember any match played with pieces that are not nº6 (well maybe this kramnik-kasparov one! ;-)
What I know is that none of my size 6 games look like this one and that more than ten size 5 games are the perfect copy.
The day I will see a size 6 that looks like him is not about to happen...
I also know that many competitions were played with this size 5 set in France (1990-2000)
Chavet also had its fir boxes of size 5 and 6 inscribed: competition games
Here's another oddball knight part of an 80mm unbranded export set (Staunton chess set - made in France). It has the "wrong" line inclinations and missing the usual carvings above the eyes.
Hello, just in case anyone are interested in the "greens", I have seen this in etsy
https://www.etsy.com/es/listing/1480085251/
A brief historical recap.
If it is easy to tell a little nonsense in an online sales ad, it will always be more difficult to make lie the typography, the dates of birth of these writings and therefore the dates on which they could have been printed.
It is safe to say that there was no Chavet chess game box with a printed or pyrographed logo before the early 80s.
Even today, in 2023, if you pass in front of the Chavet workshop, you will find there, as a storefront, a Regence set accompanied by the 1972 logo.
This logo can be found on at least two advertisements, one of which dates from 1972 and celebrates the 60th anniversary of Chavet (1912), then another which dates from 1979.
The 1980 logo shows a typography that leaves no doubt about its date of use. This logo is sometimes supposed to have been used around the second world war… but it is impossible.
It is this logo that you will also find on the first labels of the Chavet sets, to believe that before this date, all the boxes were free of any marking.
What about the logo that was used for the 1990 world championships… the nod to Chavet finally jumps out at me. Supplier of sets with his famous 153/6, he also planned to relaunch his brand internationally.
Although the new Chavet Chess brand was created in 1989, I believe that this logo, the one from 1989, was introduced after the 1990 championship.
But beware, just because there is no logo on the box or label doesn't mean that the game is from before 1980... In the 1960s, Chavet exported more than 95% of its production to East and West of the World and they weren't interested in his name. Its greatest difficulty will always be to get out of its natural status as a subcontractor in order to impose its brand and its products. Until recently, he sold boxes with a simple label and not always his brand.
" Chase away the natural and it comes back at a gallop" ;-)
It's a beautiful n°4 which dates from the 70's! -> 353/4 "Acajou"
The set used in 1990 was developed long before that date. It was used in 1988 in Belfort and I was able to get one which dates from 1985. It therefore exists with a Henri Chavet logo from 1980, and sometimes without ;-) but not with a Chavet Chess brand.
Yes there are differences, even if they seem minimal.
-> #301
- The eye of the knight and its position.
- The mane
The queens will also evolve afterwards.
There are a couple of 101/4 and 101/5 sets on eBay right now that have reeeally got my attention, but I'm not sure what size squares either size would play well on. I have a bit of a gap in my board sizes; I only have boards with 2.25", 1.75", and 1.5" squares. Thx.
Nice set. That is a beauty. Where did you procure the over frame chess board from. Looks nice and sturdy.
Hello everyone,
I am writing this post to inform you that I have been the victim of a scam, and to warn you so that it does not happen to you.
The scammer is a seller called Wilson Levy, who lives in Agon Containville, France.
He currently sells through his shop "castorshopping" (when I bought it it was called "beavershopping") although he previously had another one called regencechess or something similar, which may have closed down due to some other fraudulent action.
As I had his contact details, I asked him about some chavet pieces he was offering, according to him, king size 9.3 cm. I made the payment, and he sent the pieces, which turned out to have a 9 cm king (I find it incredible that someone who sells chavet pieces does not see the difference in size with the naked eye, and check it, but I understand that we can all make mistakes).
When I contact him and tell him that I want to return the pieces, and that, because of this mistake, he should pay the shipping costs. His first response is not to agree to refund the money, and to play down the difference (I find it incredible for someone who collects and sells parts), but finally he confirms that he agrees and says he will reimburse me for everything.
I send the parts, but when he receives them, he refuses to pay the shipping costs, both there and back, in breach of his promise. After several emails, in which he refuses to pay them, I tell him not to be a scammer, and then he takes offence and refuses to refund any money at all, unless I apologise, and that he will not pay the postage in any case. Of course, I don't think I have to apologise to a thief and I didn't. In the end he refunded me some of the money.
In the end he refunded me some of the money, but refuses to take responsibility.
Total money ripped off €44.
Be very careful with this thief. He is useless and if there is any problem (generated by him or not), he will try to take your money.
I have already filed a complaint against him at my local police station.
p.s. He put the pieces up for sale again and again indicated that the king measured 9.3cm, which can no longer be attributed to a mistake, but to a deliberate act of deceiving the buyer to increase the price.
Wow, I'm sorry to hear that, @Fer8799. A couple weeks ago I was looking for 101/4 and 101/5 sets on eBay (well, really 101/8 sets which I was disappointed to find out don't exist -- or do they?!). Castor was one of the two shops I found that had them, and the prices were pretty fair. I regret your experience, but I'm glad I know to avoid this seller.
Hello everyone,
I am writing this post to inform you that I have been the victim of a scam, and to warn you so that it does not happen to you.
The scammer is a seller called Wilson Levy, who lives in Agon Containville, France.
He currently sells through his shop "castorshopping" (when I bought it it was called "beavershopping") although he previously had another one called regencechess or something similar, which may have closed down due to some other fraudulent action.
As I had his contact details, I asked him about some chavet pieces he was offering, according to him, king size 9.3 cm. I made the payment, and he sent the pieces, which turned out to have a 9 cm king (I find it incredible that someone who sells chavet pieces does not see the difference in size with the naked eye, and check it, but I understand that we can all make mistakes).
When I contact him and tell him that I want to return the pieces, and that, because of this mistake, he should pay the shipping costs. His first response is not to agree to refund the money, and to play down the difference (I find it incredible for someone who collects and sells parts), but finally he confirms that he agrees and says he will reimburse me for everything.
I send the parts, but when he receives them, he refuses to pay the shipping costs, both there and back, in breach of his promise. After several emails, in which he refuses to pay them, I tell him not to be a scammer, and then he takes offence and refuses to refund any money at all, unless I apologise, and that he will not pay the postage in any case. Of course, I don't think I have to apologise to a thief and I didn't. In the end he refunded me some of the money.
In the end he refunded me some of the money, but refuses to take responsibility.
Total money ripped off €44.
Be very careful with this thief. He is useless and if there is any problem (generated by him or not), he will try to take your money.
I have already filed a complaint against him at my local police station.
p.s. He put the pieces up for sale again and again indicated that the king measured 9.3cm, which can no longer be attributed to a mistake, but to a deliberate act of deceiving the buyer to increase the price.
I'm sorry @fer8789. I'm going to do what I think is necessary to settle this story. Tomorrow I make contact with this character.
In the meantime, to think of something else, here is a series of Chavet n°10 (club), a knight = 1 set.
Then two newcomers that I should meet in August... be patient ;-)
Amazing, right?
@Walterbiensur
The modern set made by chavet is nice. Cant understand what inspired them to work on the same.
The knights look odd and not very play worth.
Good question. Perhaps Jean-Marc Toulemonde did not make them himself, as indicated on the box and it was indeed Chavet who made them for him... then bought the rights to make them and sell under its brand. Chavet never mentions Karpov on his boxes.
There is a woodturner's instrument called "the Jura hook". The link to the knight may be there but that doesn't make it more playable.