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fightingbob 写道:

I've never heard of Chessnut until now.

A dedicated, self-moving, computerized chess set is nothing new, though obviously the playing strength is. The 1984 film The Lonely Guy has a very funny scene demonstrating one available at the time. Naturally, there are a few modifications to the operation adding a voice after it wins to make it resemble a condescending, "I just beat the patzer" chess player. The offer to shake hands, not available on the actual computer, is a nice touch too. Chessnut should take note and introduce an a**hole mode.

Milton Bradley (MB) went one step further and eliminated the arm. It more closely resembles the soon to be released Chessnut self-mover. Unfortunately, the MB set makes a lot of noise when it moves, perhaps like some human opponents you've had in the past.

I have a feeling this gimmick will not last long, probably no longer than those earlier models. I may be wrong; we'll see. Perhaps what would really make it sell would be a disembodied hand that twirls a captured pawn between thumb and middle finger to disturb your thinking. This would be Chessnut's Nakamura model, and it could come with various "inconsiderate" modes. Later on they can release the Niemann model that has unkempt hair and cheats when you least expect it. If they truly want to make their units life-like, these would be worthy additions.

I took a look at the official website video, and maybe the speed of moving the pieces has the same problem as the robotic arm - slow, only suitable for slow chess
lighthouse
rainer59k wrote:

When starts your delivery of the board? They told me, that my board will arrive at Germany end of may.

Yes that what I have being told / the end of May , wink

neverbeton

I do not understand whether I have seen different videos, but this is clearly not usable model... I have seen also the other "obotish" e-boards from different companies and it is probably interesting to see it once but not for the real life usage... I have no idea why to even think about buying it...Our hand is quicker, more accurate, quieter, cheaper and mainly more reliable... I do understand the general idea is fine and it has some reason to start working on it... but it will take more than couple of years while it will come usable at least.

Do not call me old-timer, I use many new technologies and love them in general, but this is really something I do not believe in...

I am quite sure that like many nicely advertised new toys you will use it few times and show it to your friends to make impressions but other than that it will just catch the dust. in the corner..

I do believe in the developing potentials of the other ChessNut models - like Evo or Pro/Air/Go...

cougarmeat

neverbeton, You are just thinking about yourself - not that that's a bad thing - so expand your "who could use this" thinking to include someone who is mostly paralyzed in a wheelchair. Someone who only has a little motion in their finger to push a move button on a smartphone app to indicate their move, but needs a friend to move (and record the move) the actual pieces on the board.

Sure, for some of us this would just be the next new toy. But to have the pieces move by verbal command opens up a whole new world for those with "limited mobility".

Stonewhatnow

neverbeton - It's not for me either, but I would say that self-moving chess devices are not new. There have been commercially available systems around for over 40 years now, or over 250 if you count the Mechanical Turk!

lighthouse

Update on youtube . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXFVyi6bgX0

lighthouse

New update https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpBCvldlKGU

Johannes_Climacus

I've just pre-ordered one, and so did my friend. So I think that at most, there are about 50 wooden sets left for pre-order. It was $608 after pre-order discounts, which seems fair to me for how much technology there is in this thing. If nothing else, I love that this exists in the space, and I am happy to be a guinnea pig with it. If this helps me actually practice OTB games, something I've been saying I want to do for a decade now but have never actually done, that would be awesome.

DavidSifre

I bought the wood model for $600 and then I returned it. This is now an old thread but to recap- there are no magnets. Each piece has wheels. The base on the wood is plastic. The mini-robots sound cool but my return was because I worry about durability. I always drop my pieces or knock them over and this is why I can’t have nice things. 

For what it is worth they seem to suggest the piece life is around two years. I don’t know what level of play that entails but that did not seem like a very long time. Also I don’t like that the board and pieces need to be charged separately.

I love the idea of having the board set up puzzles (it is faster to have the board set up positions than to do it yourself, in my opinion). But one thing I learned is that the promise often fails in the execution. Or it takes a lot longer to deliver the promise than anticipated.

SpaceAceOne

Like with the disappointing Square Off Neo and Swap boards… Although the Chessnut Move looks somewhat more promising. Let’s see the first reviews once it’s been sent out to the influencers soon.

cougarmeat

I saw that there was a "storage" holder for the pieces that is also a charger - so they can be charged overnight. But any rechargeable battery has a maximum number of rechanges. So just accept that These pieces, or at least the battery components, are wear-out-able and will eventually need to be replaced. We have a lot of these things in our life. We change the oil in our car, we replace worn tires. Things with parts that move wear out. The question is, will they be replaceable and for how long.

jgecrlewis

And, as a Chessnut Go owner, I had problems with board communication, and random flickering lights and they offered me NO refund/ return. And....and...that is AFTER I shot and uploaded multiple videos, as well as documented, with timeline, all the solutions THEY suggested....and...NONE of their solutions fixed the problem. They ultimately termed it "electromagnetic interference."" As a matter of fact, as of this date, the lights still randomly clicker. Again, no refund or exchange was ever offered to me. Hmmm. I'm not happy. All I can say is buyer beware. Buyer beware...I have posted this info. in other forums, and on Youtube with other influencers. Chessnut found one of my posts online concerning the issues I've been having with their product, and they sent me a direct email apology. That's right. Just an apology.

Chessnutech2020
jgecrlewis wrote:

And, as a Chessnut Go owner, I had problems with board communication, and random flickering lights and they offered me NO refund/ return. And....and...that is AFTER I shot and uploaded multiple videos, as well as documented, with timeline, all the solutions THEY suggested....and...NONE of their solutions fixed the problem. They ultimately termed it "electromagnetic interference."" As a matter of fact, as of this date, the lights still randomly clicker. Again, no refund or exchange was ever offered to me. Hmmm. I'm not happy. All I can say is buyer beware. Buyer beware...I have posted this info. in other forums, and on Youtube with other influencers. Chessnut found one of my posts online concerning the issues I've been having with their product, and they sent me a direct email apology. That's right. Just an apology.

Hello, after seeing your message, I had our customer service team look into our communication with you. It seems that in our last email six months ago, you mentioned that the issue had been resolved (the problem with Arena only occurred when using a USB connection to a computer, while Bluetooth and other software worked fine), and there hasn’t been any further communication since then. As a result, we assumed your issue was settled, and we haven’t received feedback from other users about problems with Arena either. We’re very sorry that our product and service didn’t meet your expectations.

Regarding the issue you encountered, based on our analysis, it does indeed seem related to electromagnetic interference. Since Chessnut products rely on electromagnetic induction technology for recognition, similar issues can occur in environments with significant electromagnetic interference. As this isn’t a product quality defect, it doesn’t fall under our warranty coverage. However, we do offer a no-questions-asked return and refund policy within one month of purchase. Beyond that timeframe, we’re unable to provide a return or refund, and we hope for your understanding.

lighthouse
DavidSifre wrote:

I bought the wood model for $600 and then I returned it. This is now an old thread but to recap- there are no magnets. Each piece has wheels. The base on the wood is plastic. The mini-robots sound cool but my return was because I worry about durability. I always drop my pieces or knock them over and this is why I can’t have nice things.

For what it is worth they seem to suggest the piece life is around two years. I don’t know what level of play that entails but that did not seem like a very long time. Also I don’t like that the board and pieces need to be charged separately.

I love the idea of having the board set up puzzles (it is faster to have the board set up positions than to do it yourself, in my opinion). But one thing I learned is that the promise often fails in the execution. Or it takes a lot longer to deliver the promise than anticipated.

I think you are right , As the OP on this thread , I have withdrawn my order , Some very fair points have been raised over chessnut move + with still a while to wait ,

I think the money can be better spend , DavidSifre + cougarmeat + others ,

Thank you for your input & helping me to make sense .

So I am Sorry if I have encourage others to buy this item .

600 euros is a lot to payout with not knowing what one will get back + what the future holds in this tech driven world ?

KingMoored

New Move Development Update video showing offline OTB bot play 😎

https://youtu.be/Q85LqVfPhhU?si=2utC_PME2HIzy-jt

MateTea23
The big difference with Chessnut and other boards like Square Off Neo is that existing Chessnut products work very well. The App works great and the product support and communication with the company are very good.
cougarmeat

To be clear, I wasn't suggesting "not" to buy this board/set. Just to be realistic and accept that it may not be "perfect" but that you have use of this board while others wait perhaps a long while for version 2 much further down the line.

In other words, this is like any other New product on the market. The manufacturers have their needs (cash flow). They can't keep it "in the lab" forever. And they won't find any "improvements" in the Lab. At some point, it has to be released "into the wild" in order to, expose more usage scenarios.

What's your incentive to be on the leading (some call it the "bleeding") edge?

1. You get to play with it right away.

2. You get it at a great discount - maybe the lowest price it will be available.

3. You get bragging rights to be the proud owner of the most state-o-art moving board out there (today).

Now that money can buy a lot of courses, and a lot of books. Courses and books certainly can improve your game. But what really improves your game is playing OTB and seeing the patterns in 3D.

You can do that with any set and board - whether there's an engine behind the moves or you are manually moving pieces from book notation. But if your set sits in the corner, while you watch YouTube video after YouTube video, and investing in this set with its gimmick movement inspires you to play, then it might be worth it for you.

That said, a lot of money is a lot of money. So again, I'm not suggesting not to buy it. Just understand that its a new product, there are lots of moving parts, and it's a weighty investment.

KingMoored

March 12 updated Move blog with some interesting pictures of the robot bases without the chess pieces.

https://www.chessnutech.com/blogs/news-from-team-chessnut/chessnut-move-development-progress-update

echec1968

It's coming.

SpanishStallion
Chessnut does not have enough features on their app. They need to do a serious update!