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Dvoretsky's Endgame or Analytical Manual?

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adumbrate
Reb wrote:

Then you should work on endings if thats your biggest problem .  Improving in chess is about working on the weakest area of your game the most . It doesnt mean you shouldnt work at all on the other areas as well however . 

my point

alec295
Waterstriker wrote:

I want to buy one of them,but which would be better for me?I can only buy either the Endgame or Analytical Manual.My rating is 1598 in chess.com

Analytical Manual is too advanced for your level 2100-2300 rated players consider it a very,very tough read I see you opening that book being awed by how hard it is and then putting it away.

On the Endgame Paul Keres book Practical Chess-Endings is more like it

Or  How to Play Endings by Zonsko Borovsky

He emphasises understanding of the principles of the endgames not memorizing moves when you master what he teaches you can apply his techniques to any situation that may arise in your own games for the rest of your life best $6.75 you'll ever spend no need to buy any large tomes.

It's in descriptive notation by the way.

Good luck!

JogoReal

Paul Keres manual is obviously very good, even so I have to say it is too big and too detailed when compared with Ludek Pachman manual. Excellent for reference, even if now a bit "old", but not the book you read from cover to cover. Before you read an endgame manual from cover to cover, your vision on endgames keeps being quite fragmented.

Ludek Pachman, Chess Endings for the Practical Player.

Presume this being the book I have in a Portuguese edition.

Ashes_Remain

what's the point?

SmyslovFan
Reb wrote:

Then you should work on endings if thats your biggest problem .  Improving in chess is about working on the weakest area of your game the most . It doesnt mean you shouldnt work at all on the other areas as well however . 

I agree with this!

One great advantage to working on endgames even for average players is that it helps in at least two very concrete ways:

  • You can sac a pawn in the opening and know that you can usually salvage any endgame against a similarly rated player. This makes you more dangerous in the openings!
  • You can use your endgame knowledge to guide you in middlegames. you will know which positions are better for you, and which are not. I've seen countless games by low rated masters from the former Soviet Union where they just go for a complex endgame and bludgeon their opponents even from slightly inferior positions. 
Mastery of the endgame means improving other parts of your game as well!
 
Reb's point that you should improve the weakest part of your game is fantastic advice. It's precisely how Kasparov and others from the Soviet School improved. If it worked for them...
SmyslovFan

Btw, in order to improve your weakest area, you must be very objective and specific about your strengths and weaknesses. It's not enough to say that you are weak in endgames. Select the type of endgame that you see regularly that you are weakest in and focus on that. You won't improve much if you just try to improve your endgames in a generic manner.

Kasparov recommended re-evaluating your strengths and weaknesses regularly. 

Robert_New_Alekhine

Endgame. Analytical is for 2200 and above.

jcasey91
TheOldReb wrote:

How many club players are reaching playable endings ?  Examine your most recent losses , lets say 10 of them .  Be objective/honest and determine when/why you lost the game . Lets say you fell for opening traps in 3 of those 10 losses and in 5 you lost in the middlegame , leaving 2 that you lost in endings . Obviously you need to concentrate on the middlegame most , for now , then the opening and only when you are reaching playable endgames should you spend more time on endings .  This does not mean you dont need to know " basic endings " well , it just means you should leave more serious endgame study for when you are actually reaching playable endings .  If you fall for an opening trap , or get mated in the middlegame it wont matter if you can play endings like Capablanca , you won't get to show it .  


I feel that you are both right and wrong, the problem with this controversy of when we should study openings, endings, or tactics. I have to say personally, I feel tactics are the most important. Then openings and endings should be equally as important after your rating has reached expert level. It becomes more of style as a player develops. 

kindaspongey

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708234012/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review656.pdf

http://dev.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Dvoretskys-Analytical-Manual-2nd-edition-77p3828.htm

http://www.thechessmind.net/blog/2013/11/23/book-notice-dvoretskys-analytical-manual-2nd-ed.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708233815/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review399.pdf

http://www.thechessmind.net/blog/2011/10/15/a-mini-review-of-dvoretskys-_endgame-manual-3rd-edition_.html

http://theweekinchess.com/john-watson-reviews/the-end-game-comes-before-we-know-it

workhard91

definitely the endgame university teaches more basics than the analytical manual, which is full of crazy deep analysis and calculation. But probably for your level there are more suitable books, since dvoretsky material starts probably at least at 1800-1900.

SmyslovFan

Jacob Aagaard's review that is provided by KindaSpongey answers the quesion excellently:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140708233815/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review399.pdf