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cbetz71 wrote:

ok,i just went over my original post about the moves.it was 26 moves in 6 seconds. the reference i was making was real world seconds,not the time clock of the game. i watched 2 players make 26 total moves in 6 seconds. white mated black in 6 real world seconds. the game lasted 26 moves. anyhow,that was the original comment. the conversation moved on and a debate started because i said it was impossible to move 15+ times in 6 seconds.

I think that is fast enough to arouse suspicion.

How do you know they were not using premove? 

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cbetz71 wrote:

i dont. but the mate in 13 or whatever it was tells me his premoves were pretty perfet. but no,i cant say for certain. that was why i came in here like i did. i saw the title about chess engines and assumed it was for cheating. since then ive just been debating the speed at which a human can move without that assistance.

Was it 13 moves or 26?

Do you understand the difference between a move and a half-move.

This position is mate in ten. That's nineteen half-moves. White moves ten times with perfect play, and Black moves nine.

 

I played this position and several similar positions repeatedly with a friend and a digital clock set to ten seconds each. When I did it in five seconds, that was my side of the clock. The other side could have used nine.

With a mouse, I've done this in under five seconds.

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cbetz71 wrote:

i dont. but the mate in 13 or whatever it was tells me his premoves were pretty perfet. but no,i cant say for certain. that was why i came in here like i did. i saw the title about chess engines and assumed it was for cheating. since then ive just been debating the speed at which a human can move without that assistance.

So, have you decided which chess engine you're going to get?

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cbetz71 wrote:

so im just curious.why have my comments been deleted yet the insults that started everything still remain?

Perhaps a moderator objected to your language.

 

There are some words that I never use unless I am alone in my car with the windows rolled up and the traffic is normal Division Street traffic. Well, not wholly alone. My dogs have heard these words.

I certainly never write these words.

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cbetz71 wrote:

thats not proof? thats prrof that you used pre moves.has nothing to do with our conversation though...

I had premoves switched off...I was "premoving" in the sense that I was holding my pieces in place on my opponents turn - I still had to change my mind a couple of times in that 7 secs. 

To go back a bit - I'm not saying that this is always possible or that it is particularly likely that someone could pull it off consistently.  However, what you have stated is that it is not physically possible - which is simply untrue.  Since it is possible to move this fast it stands to reason that under the right circumstances someone could make 15 consecutive reasonable moves in this time - the game conditions would have to be right and you'd need some luck but it is certainly not impossible.

I'm also not saying that none of these people who you refer to were cheating - just that that is not the only possibility.  Personally I don't know of any way to have an engine move for you in live chess although I'm sure there are computer geeks out there who could find a way.  I doubt that it is a widespread practice though. 

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cbetz71 wrote:

i would also argue that if you had to change your mind ,you would be set back by seconds on that move alone(unless it was same piece,difft square).

Depends how quick you are with a mouse - I'm a semi-regular COD player in the past which makes me pretty quick and there are people who play online who are alot faster than me - like lightning fast. 

cbetz71 wrote:

i get that. if you were playing someone who took time,you could think and move on their time. the game i watched had both players moving in split seonds. as stated,the game ended in 26 moves. it had to be 25 moves beause white won. the whole game was over in about 6 seconds. i was counting because i couldnt believe the spped at which the moves were made. i started counting i assume about half way through and got to 3.so im just guessing at 6 seconds.it might have been 5 or maybe as much as 8. but still,the speed was blistering fast on both sides and for white to mate in his 13th move, he had to play a pretty solid set of moves.

That example is suspect but not impossible - that's all I'm saying.  Also are you certain that no premoves were used?  Generally the only way to confirm engine use is by analysing the moves not the speed at which they were made.

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Hey cbetz71. I just want to tell you that you are really funny and made me a nice evening. I just clicked on the last games you lost. Way too many of them have your message on their board:

"avoid this pos monkey scumbag-uses software "

I bet you spent a lot of time analyzing the game before accusing them, and probably you also are the exact opposite of a sore loser. 

 

But on the other side, you might also be a highly skilled troll, in which case i appreciate your dedication. 

Michael

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cbetz, no hard feelings. But maybe you should remove the link, no reason to advertise that kind of software.

The site says it is tailor made for chess.com. I wonder why anyone would use it, I mean there's no money involved in playing chess here, but maybe someone can take some perverted pleasure in having a fake rating...

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cbetz71 wrote:

there were 11 more that i found with one google seach. it would seem im not alone in my thoughts here,as chess.com has tons of forums dedicated to the subject. i realize we moved past the cheating,but i got the feeling some(most/all) of you do not believe it exists at all. anyhow,i wont take up any more of your time,and again,im sorry for the way came in here and thanks to those who took the time to respond,even if we didnt agree. take care.

Glad we could come to some kind of agreement, usually these forums are not very constructive. 

I have no doubt that this kind of cheating occurs, all I am saying is that I don't believe it is common, and I don't think the speed of the moves can be used as a reliable method of determining whether or not a player was cheating.  If a player using software to allow an engine to move for them then the moves themselves should be a giveaway.

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It's worth mentioning that Chess.com asks that we not discuss our suspicions that a member is cheating in the forums.  See here ---->>

https://support.chess.com/customer/portal/articles/1444879-cheaters-cheating-what-you-need-to-know

This is a wise policy. Baseless accusations of cheating are common these days.

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Crappov wrote:

It's worth mentioning that Chess.com asks that we not discuss our suspicions that a member is cheating in the forums.  See here ---->>

https://support.chess.com/customer/portal/articles/1444879-cheaters-cheating-what-you-need-to-know

This is a wise policy. Baseless accusations of cheating are common these days.

I'll be the first to admit that this isn't a terribly important thread, but I will say that the last two-thirds of the thread (from Post #49 on - The point at which cbetz71 came barrelling in) should be thoroughly flushed.

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I love this thread.

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cbetz71 hat geschrieben:
 

its also worth noting that the very first line of that link states "No chess programs or engines (e.g. Chessmaster, Fritz, Houdini, Stockfish, Chessbase with any active UCI engine, etc.) can be used to analyse positions in ongoing games. " followed closely by "In Live Chess, no outside assistance OF ANY KIND is permitted."

Thanks. Thank you.

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Did we ever decide if downloading an engine was cheating?

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This thread got out of hand many pages ago.

Downloading an engine isn't cheating at all.  Using an engine to assist you in ongoing games, is.

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Captain Obvious has arrived finally.

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Finally arrived?  I was posting in this thread long before you were even a member here.  Check out the first page, posts #6, #7, and then on page 2, posts #21, and #28, among others.

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cbetz71 wrote:

 

Hey, cbetz,

It doesn't happen often, but this afternoon I pumped out 20 moves in 6.3 seconds (using premove, of course). Both players were down to 0.1 second when I delivered checkmate.

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MrEdCollins írta:

Finally arrived?  I was posting in this thread long before you were even a member here.  Check out the first page, posts #6, #7, and then on page 2, posts #21, and #28, among others.

Dude, chill. It was a joke.

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cbetz71 írta:
GnrfFrtzl wrote:
MrEdCollins írta:

Finally arrived?  I was posting in this thread long before you were even a member here.  Check out the first page, posts #6, #7, and then on page 2, posts #21, and #28, among others.

Dude, chill. It was a joke.

ive been tying to avoid responding unless i was directly spoken to,so you could all get back to your thread. with that said,just want to mention what i feel is the obvious... you make sarcastic snarky remarks to people and take offense to them when they retaliate then tell them to chill out.  not trying to ignite any debate here,just pointing that out. youre not the only one either.my question would be,rather than attacking the guy for answering a question,why not go after the sacarstic question that drew it out of him? it IS obvious that downloading an engine isnt against the rules. the question was only asked to continue the debate i started(and am trying to end). nowhere has it been mentioned that engines couldnt be downloaded...

The difference mate is that I'm making these remarks as jokes.
I never offend anyone intentionally.
Some of the guys here start all condescendingly, saying 'you don't know what you be talkin' 'bout stupid boy' and stuff like that.
I think the difference between me and them are obvious.
You guys really need to loosen up.
Too much stress going on in these threads nowadays.