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Ronbo710

Hi All - Just got this one and it is incoming. Here are some seller pics. I believe it is an old 50's or 60's plastic set weighted and green felts. The knights look a little like the very old Magistral 1939 Olympiad set but I know it isn't that one. I thought it might be South American but not sure. The Kings have very unusual finial crosses. The Kings are just over 3.75" too. Any ideas? Thanks happy.png .



Ronbo710
informaticacobach29 wrote:

I'd say your chess set was made in Argentina, those knights are very similar to those made for the Olympiad of 1939. It must be very old because of the quality, I hadn't seen this particular set before. Congratulations on your finding!!

There is a variation of the 1939 Magistral, this variation was used in a big tournament in 1960. The differences were, if my memory doesn't fail, the queen and bishop, perhaps also the king. I'll try to find some pictures for you.

Check this video, it's a review of a modern Plastigal staunton set. I don't know if the brand "Magistral" evolved" in Plastigal.

Thanks Manuel  . I believe it is an older set too because of the wooden box and lack of seam lines in the plastic. Earlier composite pieces were treated with more respect because the material was still relatively new back then. I am pretty sure it isn't a Magistral (unfortunately) but still better than modern day cheap plastic sets. Just needs a good cleaning lol. 

 

Eyechess

Ronbo, that does look like an older generation of plastic.  I remember seeing things like this in the 1960’s, and those things were old then.

It doesn’t look like Bakelite.  Yeah, this is interesting, very interesting.

Ronbo710
Eyechess wrote:

Ronbo, that does look like an older generation of plastic.  I remember seeing things like this in the 1960’s, and those things were old then.

It doesn’t look like Bakelite.  Yeah, this is interesting, very interesting.

Great Thanks  . 

 

Old144
The set was, I believe, made in Australia. Cecil Purdy sold one to me and two other players from our vintage, each have one.
I also have two of the same set, but without the cross filial on the King, in Bakelite. They are Black and Tan pieces.
Ronbo710
informaticacobach29 wrote:

This is another Magistral chess set, not the one used in the Chess Olympiad of 1939:

 



This set bears many similarities to the one used in the Torneo Sesquicentenario, played in Buenos Aires in 1960.

 






 

Thanks Manuel and everyone  . For me the King's unique finial is key to id'ing this one. I would need to see that clearly. I know in older pictures it will be near impossible. But it is a nice thing to pass the time searching for in our forced isolation lol. 

BonTheCat

Wow, that's an interesting set! Both the king and the queen look different from what's considered normal.

Ronbo710
BonTheCat wrote:

Wow, that's an interesting set! Both the king and the queen look different from what's considered normal.

Thanks  . I thought it might be from South America but I am not sure. I should have it in hand tomorrow and I will search over the pieces for any writing. I know I have seen the unusual cross on the King in a vintage tournament picture but I can't remember where. 

mgyuri73

Not mine, but the seller says the set was bought in Sydney in 1958. Along with the board. Maybe a logo helps you. Good luck.

RussBell

@mgyuri73 - That set appears to be it.  So far everything in your photos is identical to the photos in OP's initial post.  However, can you post photos of Bishop & Pawn? (i.e., face on, not from top).

Logo on a1 square appears to be a stylized "P". (C.J.S. Purdy? A possible Sydney connection).  The left portion (white) of the logo graphic is obviously a depiction of a caliper.

Ronbo710
mgyuri73 wrote:

Not mine, but the seller says the set was bought in Sydney in 1958. Along with the board. Maybe a logo helps you. Good luck.

 

 

Excellent!! Many Thanks  

Ronbo710
RussBell wrote:

@mgyuri73 - That set appears to be it.  So far everything in your photos is identical to the photos in OP's initial post.  However, can you post photos of Bishop & Pawn? (i.e., face on, not from top).

Logo on a1 square appears to be a stylized "P". (C.J.S. Purdy? A possible Sydney connection).  The left portion (white) of the logo graphic is obviously a depiction of a caliper.

Hi Russ - I am wondering if that could be an early "Plastigal" logo on the board. I believe that company took over the Magistral name.

RussBell
Ronbo710 wrote:
RussBell wrote:

@mgyuri73 - That set appears to be it.  So far everything in your photos is identical to the photos in OP's initial post.  However, can you post photos of Bishop & Pawn? (i.e., face on, not from top).

Logo on a1 square appears to be a stylized "P". (C.J.S. Purdy? A possible Sydney connection).  The left portion (white) of the logo graphic is obviously a depiction of a caliper.

Hi Russ - I am wondering if that could be an early "Plastigal" logo on the board. I believe that company took over the Magistral name.

Ron -

Re: the "P" logo on the chessboard.  I don't know if that is a Plastigal logo.  It may or may not be - but I tend to doubt it.  I suspect the board is produced/sold by a different company than the one which produced the pieces.  I've searched the internet for Plastigal Ajedrez, and found many sets advertised, but could not find that particular logo.  The caliper in the logo should offer some clue to the maker/seller of the board, but I don't know what it is. 

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-684988932-ajedrez-profesional-staunton-tablero-piezas-peso-plastigal-_JM?quantity=1

In any case, I ran across the following well-produced video of a contemporary (2019) Plastigal plastic set.  The set has some similarities, but is not identical, to your set.  Especially upon close inspection of the tops of the Kings and Queens.  The knights look very similar, but again, not identical...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3RanHVBg-M&feature=emb_logo

Ronbo710
RussBell wrote:
Ronbo710 wrote:
RussBell wrote:

@mgyuri73 - That set appears to be it.  So far everything in your photos is identical to the photos in OP's initial post.  However, can you post photos of Bishop & Pawn? (i.e., face on, not from top).

Logo on a1 square appears to be a stylized "P". (C.J.S. Purdy? A possible Sydney connection).  The left portion (white) of the logo graphic is obviously a depiction of a caliper.

Hi Russ - I am wondering if that could be an early "Plastigal" logo on the board. I believe that company took over the Magistral name.

Ron -

Re: the "P" logo on the chessboard.  I don't know if that is a Plastigal logo.  It may or may not be - but I tend to doubt it.  I suspect the board is produced/sold by a different company than the one which produced the pieces.  I've searched the internet for Plastigal Ajedrez, and found many sets advertised, but could not find that particular logo.  The caliper in the logo should offer some clue to the maker/seller of the board, but I don't know what it is. 

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-684988932-ajedrez-profesional-staunton-tablero-piezas-peso-plastigal-_JM?quantity=1

In any case, I ran across the following well-produced video of a contemporary (2019) Plastigal plastic set.  The set has some similarities, but is not identical, to your set.  Especially upon close inspection of the tops of the Kings and Queens.  The knights look very similar, but again, not identical...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3RanHVBg-M&feature=emb_logo

Hi Russ I think the Australian/New Zealand connection is strong. Here is a picture of the 1957 New Zealand Championship with the set.

lonewolf69ay

So relatively new to Chess, but is plastic generally better than Wood...?  I've thumbed through HoS and ChessUSA and other online stores and have preferred the high gloss lacquered hand carved pieces over their plastic brethren.  Indeed I truly find the hand carved pieces to be very detailed and precise when compared to plastic.  Newbie question and I'm only asking because I seem to see quite a few people here are somewhat *PASSIONATE* about plastic and I'm just trying to understand...?  If this is simply a PREFERENCE issue then please let me know and I'll just drop this question altogether, however, if there exists an inherent advantage for plastic over wood, I'm all ears!!!  grin.pnggrin.pnggrin.png

Ronbo710
lonewolf69ay wrote:

So relatively new to Chess, but is plastic generally better than Wood...?  I've thumbed through HoS and ChessUSA and other online stores and have preferred the high gloss lacquered hand carved pieces over their plastic brethren.  Indeed I truly find the hand carved pieces to be very detailed and precise when compared to plastic.  Newbie question and I'm only asking because I seem to see quite a few people here are somewhat *PASSIONATE* about plastic and I'm just trying to understand...?  If this is simply a PREFERENCE issue then please let me know and I'll just drop this question altogether, however, if there exists an inherent advantage for plastic over wood, I'm all ears!!! 

I am a chess set collector and like to find the early plastic or bakelite/carbolite sets due to their rarity. If you're asking about sets to play on you might start a new post for more responses. 

RussBell
lonewolf69ay wrote:

So relatively new to Chess, but is plastic generally better than Wood...? if there exists an inherent advantage for plastic over wood, I'm all ears!!! 

There is no inherent advantage for plastic over wood.  However, plastic sets are generally preferred for most club and tournament play, because they are typically less expensive than wood sets, and should some harm come to them, though accident or abuse, the financial loss is less.  This is not to say that some players might not prefer or use wood sets for club/tournament play, but that would be due to personal preference. 

If should also be noted that you will generally see chess set collectors collecting wood sets, as many of these are desirable or "iconic" for various reasons, either because of their rarity or they are associated with certain players, events, or for any number of reasons which may appeal to the collector.  Some, though generally fewer, plastic sets may also be desirable to collectors as well, again for any number of reasons, including some just mentioned.  But the majority of plastic sets are either cheaply made, not particularly rare, or not associated with famous people or events, or all of the above, and thus have very little collectible value.

Bottom line - desirability and value, like beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder!

RussBell
Ronbo710 wrote:
RussBell wrote:
Ronbo710 wrote:
RussBell wrote:

@mgyuri73 - That set appears to be it.  So far everything in your photos is identical to the photos in OP's initial post.  However, can you post photos of Bishop & Pawn? (i.e., face on, not from top).

Logo on a1 square appears to be a stylized "P". (C.J.S. Purdy? A possible Sydney connection).  The left portion (white) of the logo graphic is obviously a depiction of a caliper.

Hi Russ - I am wondering if that could be an early "Plastigal" logo on the board. I believe that company took over the Magistral name.

Ron -

Re: the "P" logo on the chessboard.  I don't know if that is a Plastigal logo.  It may or may not be - but I tend to doubt it.  I suspect the board is produced/sold by a different company than the one which produced the pieces.  I've searched the internet for Plastigal Ajedrez, and found many sets advertised, but could not find that particular logo.  The caliper in the logo should offer some clue to the maker/seller of the board, but I don't know what it is. 

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-684988932-ajedrez-profesional-staunton-tablero-piezas-peso-plastigal-_JM?quantity=1

In any case, I ran across the following well-produced video of a contemporary (2019) Plastigal plastic set.  The set has some similarities, but is not identical, to your set.  Especially upon close inspection of the tops of the Kings and Queens.  The knights look very similar, but again, not identical...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3RanHVBg-M&feature=emb_logo

Hi Russ I think the Australian/New Zealand connection is strong. Here is a picture of the 1957 New Zealand Championship with the set.

Ron - I assume you know of C.J.S. Purdy.  Famous Australian chess player from back in the day, and 1st World Correspondence Chess Champion.  Initially I had thought, as a result of mgyuri73 comment regarding the set of his posted photos having been sold in Sydney, and the "P" logo of the chess board, that it might indicate an association with Purdy.  But upon further reflection, I think that is doubtful (the Purdy part, that is).  However, an Australian/New Zealand connection might be on the right track!

Ronbo710
RussBell wrote:
Ronbo710 wrote:
RussBell wrote:
Ronbo710 wrote:
RussBell wrote:

@mgyuri73 - That set appears to be it.  So far everything in your photos is identical to the photos in OP's initial post.  However, can you post photos of Bishop & Pawn? (i.e., face on, not from top).

Logo on a1 square appears to be a stylized "P". (C.J.S. Purdy? A possible Sydney connection).  The left portion (white) of the logo graphic is obviously a depiction of a caliper.

Hi Russ - I am wondering if that could be an early "Plastigal" logo on the board. I believe that company took over the Magistral name.

Ron -

Re: the "P" logo on the chessboard.  I don't know if that is a Plastigal logo.  It may or may not be - but I tend to doubt it.  I suspect the board is produced/sold by a different company than the one which produced the pieces.  I've searched the internet for Plastigal Ajedrez, and found many sets advertised, but could not find that particular logo.  The caliper in the logo should offer some clue to the maker/seller of the board, but I don't know what it is. 

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.ar/MLA-684988932-ajedrez-profesional-staunton-tablero-piezas-peso-plastigal-_JM?quantity=1

In any case, I ran across the following well-produced video of a contemporary (2019) Plastigal plastic set.  The set has some similarities, but is not identical, to your set.  Especially upon close inspection of the tops of the Kings and Queens.  The knights look very similar, but again, not identical...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3RanHVBg-M&feature=emb_logo

Hi Russ I think the Australian/New Zealand connection is strong. Here is a picture of the 1957 New Zealand Championship with the set.

Ron - I assume you know of C.J.S. Purdy.  Famous Australian chess player from back in the day, and 1st World Correspondence Chess Champion.  Initially I had thought, as a result of mgyuri73 comment regarding the set of his posted photos having been sold in Sydney, and the "P" logo of the chess board, that it might indicate an association with Purdy.  But upon further reflection, I think that is doubtful (the Purdy part, that is).  However, an Australian/New Zealand connection might be on the right track!

Hi Russ - Thanks for the help. Another fascinating twist. The 'P' caliper logo has been discovered from the board on a Hungarian brand from 30 years ago lol. Here is the picture and the name is Versenysakk ...

RussBell

Ron -

The plot thickens!!

However, there is nothing to say that there is any connection between the board with the "P" caliper logo and the pieces other than they were apparently sold together in Sydney (according to mgyuri73).