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chessmaster_diamond

A new 1849 Staunton set. in clean boxwood and ebony A few deviations from the original e.g. to allow heavier weighting, but faithful enough, and fantastic quality carving at a moderate price. 4.4" king's height, black kings comes in at 110g.

chessmaster_diamond

I like antiqued and distressed boxwood just as much, but I already got one classic Staunton set each in antiqued (1849, Chess by India) and distressed boxwood (Morphy 4.4, antiquechesscrafts), so I now wanted a clean set. I agree "distressed" doesn't really look naturally aged, unless someone enjoyed rubbing their pieces in ash periodically. wink.png

chessmaster_diamond

That's one way to see it. OTOH, a company like Staunton Castle are selling a ton of those distressed sets because, apparently, people enjoy those. I don't think the patina lessens the "value", aesthetically or monetarily, in any way. I wouldn't want many of these, but it's anice contrast to have one of them.

martyn-n
DesperateKingWalk wrote:
chessmaster_diamond wrote:

That's one way to see it. OTOH, a company like Staunton Castle are selling a ton of those distressed sets because, apparently, people enjoy those. I don't think the patina lessens the "value", aesthetically or monetarily, in any way. I wouldn't want many of these, but it's anice contrast to have one of them.

You have an example of both sets. If you use these sets. You will see how these coating act with age and play. Over the naked wood... And what set will hold the value if you want to sell the sets.

Maybe slightly off-topic but an interesting question of how would these modern reproduction sets be valued if you sell them after let's say 20 years. I have a House of St. set from 2001. It came with a solid mahogany box. All together for 500 usd. Now you need to fork out more for the box alone… All those way too expensive boxes now are veneered btw.

Powderdigit
An interesting discussion @martyn-n . My thinking with no evidence attached is…
… I reckon the current spike interest off the back of the pandemic and queens gambit (among other factors) will drop off.

Many sets will end up in cupboards and be long forgotten. Overtime - more reproduction second-hand sets will hit the market - probably not a flood but they will emerge and I reckon they be like a second-hand car … most likely worth less than when purchased new. (Albeit that assumption might be challenged with inflation and other factors.)

Maybe some limited editions and really bespoke short run repro’s will have strong value.

Whether second hand repro sets from certain manufacturers will have more value than others is debatable- perhaps the ones that have certificates of authenticity might but I doubt it- it’s will mostly be about availability and aesthetics - demand and supply.

In all this, I have not bought one set thinking I’ll make money on it - rather I think like I enter a Casino … expecting to lose!

For me, this is a hobby of passion and at best I hope my daughters may one day look at these sets and think of me … more likely they will sell them for next to nothing - wondering what their dad was thinking - on the eBay of their day - sometime in the future.
magictwanger

Good point Powder! In my case,though I have quite a few sets no longer available,I've never made a chess purchase thinking of long term value.To me,it's for my personal satisfaction and interest in the great artistic variety of the sets that appeal to me.

I think two of my grandkids will one day be fighting over "Poppy's" chess set collection. Nobody else shows interest except them. My son,a brainiac,could care less about chess.

His loss.happy

chessmaster_diamond

I've been waiting for the big post-Covid/Queen's Gambit flood of "used" chess sets to hit eBay. It hasn't happened yet. wink.png

Powderdigit
I really don’t think it will flood per se … I imagine it will drip out over time … I am not old enough to know but perhaps something similar happened in the early ‘70’s with Bobby Fischer? Who knows… and maybe never … I’m just glad I found the hobby over the past few years and envy those that have played all their lives.
IpswichMatt
DesperateKingWalk wrote:
chessmaster_diamond wrote:

I like antiqued and distressed boxwood just as much, but I already got one classic Staunton set each in antiqued (1849, Chess by India) and distressed boxwood (Morphy 4.4, antiquechesscrafts), so I now wanted a clean set. I agree "distressed" doesn't really look naturally aged, unless someone enjoyed rubbing their pieces in ash periodically.

I saw your other set. When you are buying luxury chess sets. You want 100% natural wood color and wax is ok for polish. Regardless of how the coating look like new with a fake distress look. You are not buying something more, you are buying something of lesser value.

I agree with this. It seems a bit dishonest to artificially age something. I realise it's not dishonest in this case because they're all advertised as being artificially aged, but it just seems a bit off to me.

At some point I suspect we'll see such sets appearing on the second hand market being passed off as the real deal. Then we'll have to rely on them smelling right - ebay will need to cater for a "sniff test" somehow happy

IpswichMatt
Powderdigit wrote:
I really don’t think it will flood per se … I imagine it will drip out over time … I am not old enough to know but perhaps something similar happened in the early ‘70’s with Bobby Fischer? Who knows… and maybe never … I’m just glad I found the hobby over the past few years and envy those that have played all their lives.

I am old enough to remember - a lot of people took up chess at that time, especially in the US. And then quit a few years later when they realised it was difficult to get good. I doubt there was a load of good chess sets bought though? That was before the days of cheap outsourcing to India.

magictwanger

Vary salient point Ipswich! Makes total sense.

Ziryab

The boom the past few years has not resulted in the sale of large numbers of chess sets. Chess has become a video game.

magictwanger

Another reasonable point of view...God! You folks are smart!

VBerriz
Ziryab wrote:

The boom the past few years has not resulted in the sale of large numbers of chess sets. Chess has become a video game.

Strongly disagree happy

Nearly every retailer was out of stock for months/years on basically every chess set available. Noj’s waiting list swelled from 4 weeks to 4 years. Yes, chess thrives online, but the boom was clearly felt in stores as well.

chessmaster_diamond

Absolutely. Some vendors even found it necessary to apologize for not being prepared for the demand onslaught after The Queen's Gambit. Indian companies sold tons, too, hiking prices in the process. Some vendors in my country saw their sales rise by up to 1000%.

magictwanger

I don't know...The last three sets I bought,just fairly recently(two from S.C.) took only one week to arrive on the East Coast USA.

VBerriz
magictwanger wrote:

I don't know...The last three sets I bought,just fairly recently(two from S.C.) took only one week to arrive on the East Coast USA.

Yes, but the Queen’s Gambit came out nearly three years ago. We were referring to the effects of that on the chess retailers, it definitely had an impact at the time and for many months.

At this point, there are still residual effects but obviously not quite the same as it was back in December/January 2021.

chessmaster_diamond

Germany's biggest chess retailer (Schach Niggemann) ran out of boards completely, many models weren't available again until a year later.

Ziryab
VBerriz wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

The boom the past few years has not resulted in the sale of large numbers of chess sets. Chess has become a video game.

Strongly disagree

Nearly every retailer was out of stock for months/years on basically every chess set available. Noj’s waiting list swelled from 4 weeks to 4 years. Yes, chess thrives online, but the boom was clearly felt in stores as well.

Glad to be wrong on this point.

kelamigo

I just finished up another set. Walnut and box elder (maple)