Question Regarding Capablanca's Chess Fundamentals

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Ace_Club

Just received my copy of Chess Fundamentals by Capablanca and was reading through the first couple of pages this evening. Anyways, I ran across the following example of a combination and had a question regarding the presented mate:

Am I wrong in thinking that 9. ... Re7 is the proper move to counter White's attack, or am I completely missing something here?

MrEdCollins

You're correct.  You're not missing a thing.  In fact, the game is essentially even after 9...Re7 10.Qxg8+ Kd7 11.Rxe7+ Kxe7 12.Qxg7

Somebodysson

hijack thread alert: @MrEdCollins: I'm a beginner. When you write 'the game is even'...how does a person come to such an evaluation. Do you know it instantly just by looking at it, or how are you reaching that conclusion?

9kick9

9).... Re7 looks good but white will win the material back it looks like. Maybe someone can punch this position up on Houdini & see what it says?

MrEdCollins

I'm using a chess engine and seeing its evaluation of the position.

MrEdCollins
9kick9 wrote:

9).... Re7 looks good but white will win the material back it looks like. Maybe someone can punch this position up on Houdini & see what it says?

I already did.  See post #2.   Here's the full line, after just a minute or so of analysis:

[-0.18]  9...Re7 10.Qxg8+ Kd7 11.Rxe7+ Kxe7 12.Qxg7 Kd7 13.Qxf7+ Kc6 14.Qg6 b5 15.Nf6 Kb7 16.Nd5 Qd7 17.h4 c4 18.bxc4 bxc4 19.Qe4 Qc6 20.h5 Re8 21.Qd4 Qc5 22.Qxc5 dxc5 23.Kg2 Kc6 24.Nc3 Kd6 25.f4 Ke6 26.Ne4 Rd8 27.Nxc5+ Kf6 28.Kf3  (77.68)

Somebodysson
MrEdCollins wrote:

I'm using a chess engine and seeing its evaluation of the position.

ah, thank you. 

9kick9

Thanks for the info!

Ziryab

Finding those rare places where masters such as Capablanca evaluated incorrectly, and they are rare, is part of the pleasure of using chess engines. Learning to think from books like Chess Fundamentals will make you a stronger player even when the analysis is not perfect.

pfren

9.Qxg8+ is mate next move, so Capa did not evaluate anything improperly...

Ace_Club
pfren wrote:

9.Qxg8+ is mate next move, so Capa did not evaluate anything improperly...

You're right, 9. Qxg8+ is the correct move to force mate (didn't even see that last night), so why did Capa suggest 9. Re1+ which does not force mate if he evaluated properly?

Ace_Club

Ugh. Looks like the error is on the part of the user. Embarassed

Misread the descriptive notation of the moves last night. 8. ... Ke8 should actually be 8. ...Ke7 in which case Re1+ cannot be met with Re7 and forces 9. ... Kd8.