Reproduction and Real Jaques of London Chess Set

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chessspy1

It is possible to have exactly uniform components as has been the case in industry with interchangeable parts for at least a hundred years. Imagine the problems if you could not order a part for your car and expect it to fit.

What is relevant to the Jaques discussion and Jaques clone sets is the level of accuracy possible with hand carving of the parts not easily made on a lathe. Rook castelations, bishops slots and of course knights.

Repetitive carving of specialised parts allows for a very high level of accuracy at speed but of course when working with natural materials like boxwood, ebony and the similar substitutes used in modern clone sets the hardness and grain of the wood varies, tools become blunted as they pass through the cycle of use. Other factors of a human kind can interfere with smooth operation.

I have seen many Jaques sets with minor blemishes which were left in from the manufacture, knots, cambium and so on. I have also seen sets marked JAQUES JAQUES instead of JAQUES LONDON which is rare but not unknown.

As sets were often used in clubs where the pieces were just replaced in boxes or containers after games without concern to their parentage, it is my opinion that minor differences should not detract from the pleasure to be taken from using a set of great age.

MaximRecoil
chessspy1 wrote:

It is possible to have exactly uniform components as has been the case in industry with interchangeable parts for at least a hundred years. Imagine the problems if you could not order a part for your car and expect it to fit.

 

This seems to be a reply to what I said, so I'll clarify. I said that there's no such thing as exactly uniform pieces (or exactly uniform parts of any sort); it isn't even possible short of Star Trek replicator style technology. The best you can do is have them made to tight tolerances, say, plus or minus 0.0001", which is more than uniform enough for nearly all purposes, including automotive parts interchangeability, but obviously it isn't exactly uniform. For the tightest / most accurate fit between parts, hand-fitting still can't be beaten by CNC, which is why something like a Holland & Holland double rifle (which is as much a work of art as it is a functional firearm) is still almost entirely hand-fitted.

Minarima
MaximRecoil wrote:

 

This seems to be a reply to what I said, so I'll clarify. I said that there's no such thing as exactly uniform pieces (or exactly uniform parts of any sort); it isn't even possible short of Star Trek replicator style technology.


Your repetition of this point is rather laboured and unnecessary, is it not?

maik1988

Oh wow this thread has degenerated.

MaximRecoil
Minarima wrote:
MaximRecoil wrote:

 

This seems to be a reply to what I said, so I'll clarify. I said that there's no such thing as exactly uniform pieces (or exactly uniform parts of any sort); it isn't even possible short of Star Trek replicator style technology.


Your repetition of this point is rather laboured and unnecessary, is it not?

 

Someone argued against something I said, and I addressed their argument. As for "unnecessary", every single post on this entire forum is "unnecessary", especially your "I like to pretend that I'm a moderator" type posts.

TemplarsKnights

MaximRecoil wrote:

Minarima wrote:
MaximRecoil wrote:

 

This seems to be a reply to what I said, so I'll clarify. I said that there's no such thing as exactly uniform pieces (or exactly uniform parts of any sort); it isn't even possible short of Star Trek replicator style technology.


Your repetition of this point is rather laboured and unnecessary, is it not?

 

Someone argued against something I said, and I addressed their argument. As for "unnecessary", every single post on this entire forum is "unnecessary", especially your "I like to pretend that I'm a moderator" type posts.

maximrecoil go elsewhere ...troll with you other forum as you frequent do and use the exact same words members here type maximrecoil in Google and find he is just a plagiarism troll idiot

jjrehp

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jjrehp

Not mine unfortunately!!

TemplarsKnights

jjrehp wrote:

Not mine unfortunately!!

where sale is?

jjrehp
eBay. Finish 12 hours ago
TemplarsKnights

what price finished ? any link

 

jjrehp
2565 euro
Minarima

Someone just bagged a bargain.

 

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Rare-Jeu-dechec-ancien-JAQUES-LONDON-STAUNTON-CHESS-ANTIQUE-Vintage/352215233394?hash=item5201a9f372:g:3GAAAOSwGPxaEzMy

jcousins1

I was underbidder!  Foiled!

jjrehp
Felts all replaced but box was good
jjrehp
Box
Minarima

Felts look original to me.

 

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FrankHelwig

I didn't see any reference to King's height. Was this a 3.5" set? And shouldn't a numbered set have lozenges on the bottom? In any case, the set looked very good for it's age, if authentic...

Minarima
FrankHelwig wrote:

if authentic...

 

If this set isn't authentic it would be the best reproduction I've ever seen and would still be worth the price paid.

jjrehp
I do think authentic, matches the one I have perfectly.